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LiteON DVD 166S & unreadable files on DVD+RW : more info

Postby pat357 on Thu Jan 02, 2003 4:47 am

Concerning my problem with LiteON DVD 166S on reading data on DVD+RW media, I think I found a clue why I can't read some files on the disk. Hopefully you gurus can shed some light on this issue, because here it stops for me about the in and outs from DVD reading/writing.

I let CDR Diagnostic have a look at a DVD containing unreadable files when I try to read it with my 2 166S readers, while all my other DVD readers/writers can read the whole disk without any problems.

DVD+RW inserted in 166S gives following analysis :

The following information was collected by CD-R Diagnostic
Copyright 1997-2001, CD-ROM Productions

Table of Contents
There are a total of 1 tracks on CD, plus the lead-out.
No manufacturer information was returned by this disc.
Track 1 occupies 1513680 blocks (336 Min, 22 Sec, 30 Frames).
This track contains data in ISO-9660 format and also contains Joliet format directory information.
Lead-out track starts at block 1513680.
---------------------------------------------
Data track 1 recorded as part of session 1.
Volume size appears suspicious, header says 2261552 while track is 1513680 blocks.
Both the publisher and data preparer fields are blank. This should have somebody's name in it.
This track has an application identifier of "NERO___BURNING_ROM".
There are 721 accessible files and 7 directories contained in this track.
There are 333 files in the directory which are not recorded in this track.

The post-gap for this disc is either missing or invalid.
---------------------------------------------

The SAME DVD+RW inserted in my LiteON DVD 163 :

The following information was collected by CD-R Diagnostic
Copyright 1997-2001, CD-ROM Productions

Table of Contents
There are a total of 1 tracks on CD, plus the lead-out.
No manufacturer information was returned by this disc.
Track 1 occupies 2262384 blocks (502 Min, 45 Sec, 9 Frames).
This track contains data in ISO-9660 format and also contains Joliet format directory information.
Lead-out track starts at block 2262384.
---------------------------------------------
Data track 1 recorded as part of session 1.
Both the publisher and data preparer fields are blank. This should have somebody's name in it.
This track has an application identifier of "NERO___BURNING_ROM".
There are 1054 accessible files and 7 directories contained in this track.
A properly written post-gap was found for this track.
---------------------------------------------

As you van read, when the DVD+RW is read by the 166s, 333 files are not in the first and only track what explains why I can't access them.
Anyone any idea what's going on here ??? :roll:
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Postby vbl117 on Thu Jan 02, 2003 2:37 pm

In my review i say that i had problems reading some sessions on multisession cd but that i could copy the whole cd with RAW image mode copying .

I have not sent a report to LITE-ON because i was lazy :oops: and because i have found a trick which works in my case ( copying the cd on my hard drive to access the whole content ) and i was thinking i was the only man to have this issue .
Perhaps it is the same issue .

I think LTD-166S hardware is not involved .
I think LTD-166S Firmware has some defects for reading cd and dvd .
If you make a DVD-RW RAW image with your drive and obtain the whole DVD-RW it can be a Firmware issue else i don't know .
I think too LTD-166S error correction abilities could be improved ( with new firmwares ) .

I think , in all cases, you should send an accurate report to LITE-ON ( you can speak about my multisession problem too ) .
Vio-Man and i had already sent reports about compatibility problems between LTD-166S and our motherboards ( VIA KT133/KT133A chipsets ) . After these reports , LITE-ON made DSOF firmware which solved the compatibility problem .

I think LITE-ON has the project to release a new firmware ( at this time DVD-ROM drives firmware page doesn't exists anymore on LITE-ON website ) .

http://www.ifrance.com/ngravexpli/index.htm

i have copied/pasted the part about reading problems :

"

I had problems reading traxdata multisession cd containing three or more session ( last session was unreadable or was not shown ) .

I ve solved the problem by making a Raw image of my cd on my hard drive ( copies were containing the whole cd ) . These cd are well read by my low end CD-ROM drives .



CD BRAND : Traxdata

CD ATIP : Computer Support Italy

Code : 97m24s26f

Dye type 6 short strategy ( phthalocyanine )

79.59.74

703 MB



burner 4X Panasonic

"
problem encountered with three cd .



Good luck ! :D
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Postby cfitz on Thu Jan 02, 2003 11:38 pm

Speak of the devil. Another new firmware for the 166S:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7295#47295

Does this one help, pat357?

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Postby cfitz on Fri Jan 03, 2003 12:38 am

By the way, the diagnostic report you provided makes it sound like the table of contents (TOC) is corrupted, at least when you attempt to read the disc with the 166S. Perhaps your combination of media and burner makes a disc that is on the margin of readability, and (unfortunately) your 166S is less capable of reading that marginal disc than your older 163.

It would be interesting to run CD Speed's Scan Disc test on the disc in your 163 and 166S and report the results. It won't really offer you a solution, but it may help confirm the problem.

Hopefully the latest firmware upgrade Raz0rX told us about will solve your problem.

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Postby cfitz on Fri Jan 03, 2003 3:30 am

Another thought that you might want to try if nothing else helps: Is your 166S connected with an 80-conductor UDMA cable? If not, try connecting it with an 80-conductor UDMA cable. Either that or try temporarily running it in PIO mode and see if either of those changes make any difference.

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Postby pat357 on Fri Jan 03, 2003 6:45 pm

cfitz wrote:Speak of the devil. Another new firmware for the 166S:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7295#47295

Does this one help, pat357?

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No, it didn't unfortunately solve my problem about reading DVD+RW media.
I had so much hope as soon as I saw there was a firmware update, but no avail .......... sigh. :cry:
I will have to give up my 2 166S drives.... :cry:
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Postby pat357 on Fri Jan 03, 2003 6:52 pm

cfitz wrote:Another thought that you might want to try if nothing else helps: Is your 166S connected with an 80-conductor UDMA cable? If not, try connecting it with an 80-conductor UDMA cable. Either that or try temporarily running it in PIO mode and see if either of those changes make any difference.

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Thanks for the advise.
After putting in PIO mode, the problem still resists ; also CD-R Diagnostic reports the same "suspicious" header..........
I don't have a 80 conductor cable here, but I'll pick one up tomorrow from a local store.

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Postby cfitz on Fri Jan 03, 2003 7:28 pm

pat357 wrote:I don't have a 80 conductor cable here, but I'll pick one up tomorrow from a local store.

The only reason I mentioned it was because on my 166S I got a lot of read errors when hooked up to a 40-conductor cable that I don't get when hooked up to an 80-conductor cable. My thinking is that maybe the bus drivers on the 166S have higher edge rates and are more sensitive to poor quality IDE cables. Of course, I don't have any scientific basis for this thinking, only an isolated observation. And I may well have an iffy 40-conductor cable, because even at UDMA 33 rates, a 40-conductor cable is allowed by the IDE specifications (although 80-conductor is preferred).

What I'm saying is that I really don't hold out a lot of hope for 80-conductor cable. Of course, if it is inexpensive enough and you are willing to give it a go and would like to have some UDMA cable for future use as well, it wouldn't hurt to try. Just don't get your hopes up and don't shell out big bucks for it. I'd hate to see you spend $18 (the price Best Buy is charging for an 18" 80 conductor UDMA cable from Belkin) just to run an experiment.

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