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You think PX708A will get 4x DVD-RW and 8x DVD-R???

Postby minchin on Wed Dec 03, 2003 1:07 am

Makes you wonder that if LiteOn-811s/Norcent/Memorex can do this 4x
-RW and 8x -R, if PX708A can be upgraded with these features....
Just gave in to the temptation and got myself a PX708A... then to see the Memorex True8X.... damn....

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Postby hoxlund on Wed Dec 03, 2003 3:54 am

what makes you say the plextor 708a can be updated to do these things?
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Dec 03, 2003 5:21 am

Plextor is not in the habit of these sorts of "updates" although I have no doubt that the hardware is capable of it, I really don't think Plextor would do that sort of thing. But I'm sure Plextor will have their +12x8x/-8x4x drive out in the next couple of months...
(no, those speeds are not based on any inside info, just assumption).

However, if you already have the Plextor 708a, I would suggest waiting for Yamaha's DVD burner for when you replace it. From what I hear, it should be *the* drive to buy :D
of course, Yamaha's DVD burner is still "officially" a rumour...
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Postby dodecahedron on Wed Dec 03, 2003 7:59 am

i do have doubts it can do it.
the drive was designed and released quite some time ago before the formats were out (they're not yet!).
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Postby RJW on Wed Dec 03, 2003 9:17 am

From plextor I don't know. It can go any way.
Plextors interest is with dvd+R however there media partners (maxell,TY) interest is mostly in DVD-R. No I didn't forget MCC but MCC is the only companny who's really betting on both formats.

I do know Sony has done some research for the 530.

About the yamaha drive the rumour is there for a year now.
Still no official word.
Yamaha one hand has interest in releasing a new drive(mostly for the profesional studio's) but on the other hand it would mean a big investment and the question is if they can get it back with there main competitors being Pioneer and Plextor)
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Dec 03, 2003 12:01 pm

rjw, I would disagree that Maxell's main interest is DVD-R. Actually it is DVD-RAM. A little odd, but they are putting a lot of research into it at the moment, and are still planning on 16x DVD-RAM by this time next year. 4x is slated for early next year.

Regarding Yamaha, I *know* they are up to something, however if they do not feel it will meet their quality standards (quite high!) then we will never hear about it.
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Postby RJW on Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:28 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:rjw, I would disagree that Maxell's main interest is DVD-R. Actually it is DVD-RAM. A little odd, but they are putting a lot of research into it at the moment, and are still planning on 16x DVD-RAM by this time next year. 4x is slated for early next year.


I wouldn't be so sure about that Maxell got some premium deals when it comes to manufactureing DVD-R media. If Maxell wanted they could easilly develop DVD+R themselves based on the technology they allready got. Still they think it's better to support DVD-RAM and DVD-R when it comes to production. There development devision main focus is RAM because for pattent reasons it's more interresting ! But the production part of Maxell has a bigger interest in dvd-r.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Dec 03, 2003 2:47 pm

True, Maxell does support DVD-R more then DVD+R, although they *do* have their own DVD+Rs available... just they are very VERY rare! I saw them used in a review at CDRinfo, and later received confirmation from my contact at Maxell that they did indeed exist... just not in North America.
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Postby MonteLDS on Wed Dec 03, 2003 4:43 pm

I bet they just make a new drive :o
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Postby vsekh on Wed Dec 03, 2003 8:36 pm

I agree Plextor would rather make another burner and have us by this instead of adding new functionality to a current burner even if there is a possibility that they could add it with a firmware update.
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Postby minchin on Thu Dec 04, 2003 4:57 am

Damn... I am probably the last one that wants to hear this... but even I would agree that Plextor probably will just make another burner to do that.... Oh well....

Anyway, LDW-811S seems cheap enough....

Interesting to discuss might be if Optorite DD0401 will get these extra functionalities..... although, personaly, I think that I would pick KProbe's functionalities over HD-BURN.

I would probably keep the 708A and maybe get another 811s. That is, when it is confirmed that 811S will get the updated firmware to enable the new goodies....

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Postby RJW on Thu Dec 04, 2003 5:00 am

minchin wrote:Damn... I am probably the last one that wants to hear this... but even I would agree that Plextor probably will just make another burner to do that.... Oh well....

Anyway, LDW-811S seems cheap enough....

Interesting to discuss might be if Optorite DD0401 will get these extra functionalities..... although, personaly, I think that I would pick KProbe's functionalities over HD-BURN.

You are forgetting that the optorite has HD-burn and UM docter 2.0 (okay this one's not for free :evil: ). So HD-burn and quality check tools
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Postby minchin on Thu Dec 04, 2003 10:01 am

RJW wrote:You are forgetting that the optorite has HD-burn and UM docter 2.0 (okay this one's not for free :evil: ). So HD-burn and quality check tools


So if you were to choose between the 2 which one would you picked?

To get UM Doctor... it is like slapping another $100 (saw it for 10000 yen) to the drive to get what LiteOn has.... and after seeing the post about HD-Burn.... it still doesn't make me feel better about HD-BURN....

I like the fact that Optorite publishes which media it can burn at 8x. You don't see that with LiteOn....

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Postby RJW on Fri Dec 05, 2003 4:52 am

If I had to pick between these 2.

Then it would be the Optorite.
The reasons would be:
- I have my sources and might be able to get UM Doctor PRO 2 quite easy.
- Very bad experience with any Lite On dvd drive or 32x and higher cd-r writer (In other words they all stop working in less then 2 years time even if they were hardly used.)
- Lite On feels cheap !

But personally I wouldn't spend a fortune on a new drive just for -R or a fast 8x recorder when dual format is on the way.
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Postby VEFF on Sat Dec 06, 2003 12:52 pm

I personally won't lose any sleep if the 708A can't be upgraded to burn DVD-R over 4X. It would be nice, but I won't really miss it:
I have been happily using 4X DVD+R media (at 8X) almost exclusively for months, without problems.

1) I have gotten quality 4X +R media as low as 84 cents + tax without rebates, so the price difference between -R and +R media isn't an issue like it was when +R first came out.

2) All three of my remaining home DVD players play DVD+R without a single hitch, so compatiblity isn't an issue.

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Another plays BOTH DVD-Audio AND SACD, for only $171 + tax (most cost close to $1,000) after coupon.
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Postby RJW on Mon Dec 08, 2003 7:28 am

good -r and +r media prices are getting more and more close (For people in Holland this means +r is getting cheaper )
+R media is known to be of overall better quality as -r media.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Dec 08, 2003 11:57 am

RJW wrote:+R media is known to be of overall better quality as -r media.


That's because Princo only makes DVD-Rs :lol:
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Postby RJW on Mon Dec 08, 2003 1:50 pm

Partially true REX but it's not only Princo. Since there is also a lot of Hongkong media on the market which is just as bade as Princo or even more worse !
Point is everybody can quite easy make DVD-r. While for DVD+R they will have to go through some quality controle tests.
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Postby Kennyshin on Mon Dec 08, 2003 4:01 pm

RJW wrote:Partially true REX but it's not only Princo. Since there is also a lot of Hongkong media on the market which is just as bade as Princo or even more worse !
Point is everybody can quite easy make DVD-r. While for DVD+R they will have to go through some quality controle tests.


Yeah, that's why I often blame Pioneer. Usually the simplest answer to media compatibility questions is to recommend TY. Pity TY is not increasing their DVD media production as fast as CMC and Ritek.
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Postby jase on Tue Dec 09, 2003 3:17 pm

RJW wrote:Partially true REX but it's not only Princo. Since there is also a lot of Hongkong media on the market which is just as bade as Princo or even more worse !
Point is everybody can quite easy make DVD-r. While for DVD+R they will have to go through some quality controle tests.


Well I'm not sure I agree with that. I think it's more a case of Pioneer not going after "rogue" manufacturers as vociferously as Philips. It's pretty telling that most of the -R only garbage companies -- Princo, Postech, Vanguard, Longten, Fornet/Fornex etc etc -- are those companies stopped from distributing CDR in Europe and the US by Philips. There are hundreds of thousands of DVD-R discs made each month without the proper licences.

I don't see why -R should be penalised in this way when decent -R media is just as good as decent +R and still somewhat cheaper (at least where I live).

In any case I've seen some pretty ropey +R media as well....
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