8x DVD writers from Samsung and LG

by **Kennyshin** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:35 pm

More South Korean websites and other news sources are talking about the upcoming 8x DVD writers from Samsung and LG. As expected, Samsung recently released 4x DVD+R/DVD-R writer based on NEC ND-1300A instead of developing inhouse. After GMA-/GSA-4040B, LG will soon release 8x DVD writer 4080B. According to a rumor, it will be the first 8x DVD-R writer but I have no confirmed source.

Some of you will think it is strange for Samsung to sell 8x DVD writers right after their very delayed 4x DVD writer release. However, Samsung only imported and rebadged a very small quantity of Panasonic DVD-R(W)/DVD-RAM 2x writers and they did the same with NEC ND-1300A DVD+R(W)/DVD-R(W) 4x writers. Samsung had problems in negotiating with Ricoh, Philips, Matsushita, NEC, and other companies and that was why it took so long for them to release 4x DVD writers. LG has captured more than half of the South Korean DVD writer market this year.

by **dodecahedron** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 4:39 pm

Kennyshin,
do you have more information on the LG GSA-4080B ?

by **Kennyshin** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 6:43 pm

dodecahedron wrote:Kennyshin,
do you have more information on the LG GSA-4080B ?

Like what?

I'll post more when I have them.

(And I also have to protect my sources.)

by **dodecahedron** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 8:11 pm

like:
will it be 4x DVD+RW and DVD-RW?
will it, like the GSA-4040B, be a Super-Multi drive and support DVD-RAM? at what speed? 4x? or higher?
dual layer burner? (or is this too much of wishful thinking?

)
when will it be released?

yeah, whenever you have any more news i'll be glad to hear or it.
and i totally understand your need to protect your sources.

by **shimman** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:17 pm

samsung's goal is to finish the developing 8x drive by dec, 2003, and going to the mass production in 1st qt of 2004

lg's 8x will support 8x dvd+r 4x dvd-r 3x dvd-ram will go into the production between dec 2003 and jan 2004

lg's plan including 16x dvd drive going into the production 2nd qt of 2004

by **Ian** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 9:37 pm

shimman wrote:lg's 8x will support 8x dvd+r 4x dvd-r 3x dvd-ram will go into the production between dec 2003 and jan 2004

That sounds about right. LG US was talking about getting some samples in within the next few weeks.

by **Kennyshin** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:29 pm

dodecahedron wrote:like:
will it be 4x DVD+RW and DVD-RW?
will it, like the GSA-4040B, be a Super-Multi drive and support DVD-RAM? at what speed? 4x? or higher?
dual layer burner? (or is this too much of wishful thinking? )
when will it be released?

yeah, whenever you have any more news i'll be glad to hear or it.
and i totally understand your need to protect your sources.

I haven't heard of any 8x DVD-R and 4x DVD-RW so I can't imagine how LG's next drive can support them. A source said it will be the first 8x DVD-R writer but it could be wrong.

I heard both Samsung and LG have given up DVD-RAM support though some of their next drives might have DVD-RAM support. LG 4080B will have 3x DVD-RAM and not anything faster.

No dual-layer is planned.

According to the same source, the release date is mid-November.

by **Kennyshin** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 10:35 pm

shimman wrote:samsung's goal is to finish the developing 8x drive by dec, 2003, and going to the mass production in 1st qt of 2004

lg's 8x will support 8x dvd+r 4x dvd-r 3x dvd-ram will go into the production between dec 2003 and jan 2004

lg's plan including 16x dvd drive going into the production 2nd qt of 2004

That sounds almost like a quote.

i ran and accrossed one jap guy's webpage with 708a reviews; that guy bought two 708a retails; one made in china another made in japan

From the first post of yours in this forum, it seems you are not Japanese and not Korean either. Where did you hear?

by **BMR** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:23 pm

Here is a picture of the LG Spec sheet if you can make anything of it

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/attachmen ... tid=556492

BMR

by **BMR** on Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:33 pm

Right Click the picture, Save it as a .jpg then load it up with a picture viewing program and you can see all of the specs and a picture of the drive very clearly.

BMR

by **RJW** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:05 am

I haven't heard of any 8x DVD-R

Ritek and MCC have announced them.
The test media for manufacturer should be there.

Expect the media to be there close to the release of the recorders.

by **dodecahedron** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:30 am

thanks, BMR.

Okey Dokey!

8x DVD+R, 8x DVD-R, 4x DVD+RW, 2x DVD-RW, 3x DVD-RAM!

sounds great!

by **Ian** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:02 am

Weird.. you'd think the drive would have 4x DVD-RW.

I wish LG would have increased the drive's CD reading and writing speeds as well.

by **BMR** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 9:59 am

Ian wrote:Weird.. you'd think the drive would have 4x DVD-RW.

I wish LG would have increased the drive's CD reading and writing speeds as well.

Given the rock bottom prices of good 52X burners now, and the fact that there is a huge installed base of CD burners in the general population, I think that the emphasis of the DVD manufacturers is not on this particular aspect of the drive. ( Which I have no problem with, if they try very hard to get the quality of the DVD abilities as high as possible ). Most of us, I am sure already have a good CD Burner installed.

However, as enthusiasts, we want the best of all things

BMR

by **dolphinius_rex** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 10:52 am

Ian wrote:Weird.. you'd think the drive would have 4x DVD-RW.

I wish LG would have increased the drive's CD reading and writing speeds as well.

I haven't heard ANYTHING about 4x DVD-RW, neither the media being manufactured, nor a drive supporting it being manufactured. I don't think this technology is near ready yet

by **Ian** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:05 am

BMR wrote:I think that the emphasis of the DVD manufacturers is not on this particular aspect of the drive.

Yes, but you also have to look at the OEM market (an area that seems to have a heavy influence on LG). A PC builder like Dell is probably going to put one drive in their computer. If they go the DVD writer route, they're going to want something that can also read and write CD's well. At least that makes sense to me.

by **jsl** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 11:27 am

Since you mentioned Dell I noted that they already ship their desktop PC's with an optional 8x/4x DVD+R/RW, a TEAC DV-W58E (OEM NEC ND-2100A?):

Data transfer rate
Pressed SL DVD-ROM Read - 5X to 12X (CAV)
Pressed DL DVD-ROM, DVD+R/RW, DVD-R/RW Read - 3.3X to 8X(CAV)
Pressed Data CD, CD-R, CD-RW Read - 17.2X to 40X (CAV)
CD-DA - 4X (CLV)
DAE - 17.2X to 40X (CAV)
DVD+R Write - 6X to 8X (ZCLV)
DVD+RW Write - 4X (CLV)
CD-R Write - 16X to 32X (ZCLV)
MS CD-RW Write - 4X (CLV)
HS CD-RW Write - 10X (CLV)
US CD-RW Write - 16X (CLV)
Rotational speed 9200 RPM, max

Access time 100ms typical (Random stroke)
Memory buffer 2MB

by **RJW** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 12:28 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
Ian wrote:Weird.. you'd think the drive would have 4x DVD-RW.

I wish LG would have increased the drive's CD reading and writing speeds as well.

I haven't heard ANYTHING about 4x DVD-RW, neither the media being manufactured, nor a drive supporting it being manufactured. I don't think this technology is near ready yet

Pioneer a07 was announced as
write
-DVD-R: 8x
- DVD-RW: 4x
- DVD+R: 8x
- DVD+RW: 4x
- CD-R: 24x
- CD-RW: 24x

read
- DVD-ROM: 12x
- CD-ROM: 40x

So some companny is planning them.
4x DVD-RW is technical hard it might be the end of DVD-RW or it might go just the final step to 8x. 8x DVD-R is allready very complicated and Pioneer has made several indications/announcements that it might be the final speed for them for dvd-r.
I think for +R we can expect up to 16x. It's just 2 additional zones unless they succeed in switching to CAV which is relative easy compared to -R.

There is a good change that the Pioneer a07 might be a dual layer drive fact is Pioneer on there technology. This way no one knows how far there really are.
If they can release it as dual layer for -r but dual format overall then they have a drive that has anything to be a winner. Specially if they are there befor Philips can launch dual layer drive. Still in that case Pioneer has the advantage of the dual format sollution.

by **BMR** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 1:05 pm

Ian wrote:Yes, but you also have to look at the OEM market (an area that seems to have a heavy influence on LG). A PC builder like Dell is probably going to put one drive in their computer. If they go the DVD writer route, they're going to want something that can also read and write CD's well. At least that makes sense to me.

Agreed, and the fact that they have the ability to burn CD's is probably more important to the OEM market rather than the top writing speed. As long as the OEM user knows they can write at CD, they will be satisfied. Only the enthusiasts, such as ourselves, who typically don't purchase OEM products care that the writing speed is not near what it could be.

BMR

by **Kennyshin** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 2:44 pm

BMR wrote:Here is a picture of the LG Spec sheet if you can make anything of it

http://www.abxzone.com/forums/attachmen ... tid=556492

BMR

Thanks. Another link is here: http://www.storageinfo.co.kr/~kenny/pics/gsa4080b.jpg

Resized to 893x1227 (70% of the original):

by **Kennyshin** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 4:39 pm

jsl wrote:Since you mentioned Dell I noted that they already ship their desktop PC's with an optional 8x/4x DVD+R/RW, a TEAC DV-W58E (OEM NEC ND-2100A?):

....

It seems like NEC ND-2100A OEM. I heard via NEC that they'd first ship ND-2100A to Dell and only Dell.

by **dodecahedron** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 5:07 pm

BMR wrote:
Ian wrote:Yes, but you also have to look at the OEM market (an area that seems to have a heavy influence on LG). A PC builder like Dell is probably going to put one drive in their computer. If they go the DVD writer route, they're going to want something that can also read and write CD's well. At least that makes sense to me.

Agreed, and the fact that they have the ability to burn CD's is probably more important to the OEM market rather than the top writing speed. As long as the OEM user knows they can write at CD, they will be satisfied. Only the enthusiasts, such as ourselves, who typically don't purchase OEM products care that the writing speed is not near what it could be.

knowing that you can write to CDs is not enough.
they (Dell etc.) want the higher performance for press and advertising. pimping the higher specs is an important issue for them. competition etc.

by **aviationwiz** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 6:41 pm

Still only 2x DVD-RW? Also, I thought that they were having troubles getting 8x DVD-R writing, I guess they found the solution?

by **Kennyshin** on Wed Oct 29, 2003 8:30 pm

aviationwiz wrote:Still only 2x DVD-RW? Also, I thought that they were having troubles getting 8x DVD-R writing, I guess they found the solution?

Maybe not very stable at early production.

by **jsl** on Mon Nov 17, 2003 2:07 pm

jsl wrote:Since you mentioned Dell I noted that they already ship their desktop PC's with an optional 8x/4x DVD+R/RW, a TEAC DV-W58E (OEM NEC ND-2100A?):

Hm, checking the picture here the TEAC doesn't really looks like an OEM NEC after all. Babelfish translation of Japanese article @AV watch here.

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