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Wich one to get A05/105 or A06/106?

Postby Noua on Tue Jul 22, 2003 8:22 am

I have a dilemma that I would lie some help to solve... I finally decided witch drive to get.. At lest I already choose the brand. It’s the Pioneer. Now my question is, witch one? The A05 or the A06?
I know the differences between them, basically the A06 writes/rewrites +media… I really don’t care about CD performance… For that I have my Plextor… What I really want is DVD performance… I know that there are firmwares that release “rip” speed into the A05 and add more useful stuff… But after all this my question still remains.. Is it worth it to spend 250€ on the A06 or just go with 200€ on the A05?
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Postby Bhairav on Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:35 am

Good day sir! Methinks the price differential seems to be pretty large, so why not go for the A05? Seems to be a nice drive!
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Postby jase on Tue Jul 22, 2003 10:50 am

All depends doesn't it?

Will you keep the drive for long enough for the lack of both formats to potentially be a problem?

No-one knows yet which format will succeed and which will fail -- it depends on who you listen to. 50 euros is quite a lot though (one and a half 25-packs of 4x DVD-Rs). Although again, it depends on how many discs you'll write. If you're going to be burning hundreds, then the price differential isn't that much.

I have two A05s though and am very happy with them. Never failed to write a disc yet.
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Postby Bhairav on Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:05 am

Jase, I'm getting an A05 next week or so, so I'm curious: What media do you use with the A05?
I'm also getting a good deal on Pioneer original 4X discs, and I've heard good reports about them. Have you used them?
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Postby jase on Tue Jul 22, 2003 11:57 am

I use a wide range. I tend to buy all the discs (I'm sad that way lol) and I really have to say I haven't found one that won't burn fine yet (and they all read back 100% as well).

I tend to use mainly Ritek 4x, Longten 4x (because I managed to get a quantity of these for less than 40 cents a piece, which can't be bad, even if they aren't all that brilliant) and Ritek/CMC/Optodisc/Be-All/Nan-Ya/MBI/Lead-Data/Prodisc/Princo/any other old rubbish 1x and burn these @2x (again, without any failures).

I'd say the Pioneer 4x DVD-R discs are the best media I have ever come across. They seem to be compatible with *everything* I've thrown them at. Very well made as well. They're very expensive but if money were no object I'd use these all the time. If you're getting them for anything less than $3 a piece I'd say they're a real bargain.
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Postby Noua on Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:29 pm

The problem is that Î don't know witch format my DVD's machnies (PS2, DVD reader,...) work on...
Ok, it's true 50€ it's a lot of euro and maybe, i'll jsut stick with -r becuase it's the cheaper media and it seems to be more compatible over here...
There's also other features that make me thinking on the A05, for what I've read it's of the most compatible drives on the market and doesn't give much problems either... Of course there's also the rip speed and the price issue... In the end, it's a dificult choise wich becomes more dificult with the anouncment of 8x drives due to price drops...
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Postby Noua on Tue Jul 22, 2003 1:30 pm

The problem is that Î don't know witch format my DVD's machnies (PS2, DVD reader,...) work on...
Ok, it's true 50€ it's a lot of euro and maybe, i'll jsut stick with -r becuase it's the cheaper media and it seems to be more compatible over here...
There's also other features that make me thinking on the A05, for what I've read it's of the most compatible drives on the market and doesn't give much problems either... Of course there's also the rip speed and the price issue... In the end, it's a dificult choise wich becomes more dificult with the anouncment of 8x drives due to price drops...
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Postby Noua on Thu Jul 24, 2003 8:17 pm

Made my decision, the 106 will be ordered monday... It should be here on tuesday.. at least that's what they said... Will pay 250€ though but i guess i'll have the format issue solved..

Think that my PS2 reads both formats. Samething with my DVD Reader... Hummmm... great...! :D
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Postby Bhairav on Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:42 am

Woot! Noua, can you post a small preview of the drive when you get it? It seems to be a good one, yet the only review I can find of it is @ cdrinfo, and I don't really trust 'em!
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Postby Noua on Fri Jul 25, 2003 4:33 am

You got it... But I must ask for your help as ãlthough I have read many reviews I actually haven't done none. So probably it will miss things that you'll want to know...

I'll try to buy +r -r +rw and -rw media so I can do all the test I and You want...

Let's see what I need besides the media.. The software I'll be using is Nero 5 (always with the latest version). The system:

Processor: AMD Duromm 900 (overclocked 1100mhz) -> Probably will put it on factory settings for the tests.
Motherboard: Asus A7v133
Memory: 512 SDRam 133
Hard Discs: 60 Gb Seagate + 20 Gb Quantum
Video Card: Geforce 2 64MB
CD-rw: Plextor 48x24x48x
CD-Rom: Teac 40x
O.S.: Windows XP SP1 (I will try to format my c partition before installing 106)

Guess it's everything... Also have a reslteck lan adapter and the pinnacle studio tv card,... but these don't matter...

I'm very ancious... Probably Tuesday my test will begin... eh eh eh...
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Postby MikeTR on Fri Jul 25, 2003 7:05 am

bhairavp wrote:the only review I can find of it is @ cdrinfo, and I don't really trust 'em!


Now, why would that be????? :wink:
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Postby Noua on Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:42 pm

why do you say that? Aren't they good?
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Postby jase on Fri Jul 25, 2003 5:11 pm

I dunno. There seems to be some animosity between these two sites for some reason. Never worked out why :-?
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Postby cfitz on Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:14 pm

Noua wrote:why do you say that? Aren't they good?

jase wrote:I dunno. There seems to be some animosity between these two sites for some reason. Never worked out why :-?

Part of it may have to do with the natural rivalry that often seems to develop between different groups. For what it is worth, CDFreaks doesn't have the best relations with CDRInfo either, although CDRLabs and CDFreaks seem to get along just fine for the most part. Apparently CDRInfo didn't get along well with a site called CDR Software Review either, although I really don't know what that was all about.

Part of it may have to do with the occasional questionable tests they perform. Take their recent DVD Format Compatibility Tests article, for example. I don't have a horse in this race, so I personally don't care whether +R or -R is "better" or "more compatible", but there are some internal inconsistencies in the report that make it seem, to me, that they had an agenda to promote -R from the start. That isn't the sort of unbiased reporting that garners respect.

Part of it may have to do with their unrepentant self-aggrandizement. Take their slogan, for instance: the recording authority (emphasis mine). They repeat the same mantra in their articles. For example, you can find the quotation "CdrInfo.com is the clear authority when it comes to CD recording and the related technologies" in the DVD format article I reference above (again, emphasis is mine). A little bit of appropriate humility and recognition that other sites know a thing or two about optical drives and recording as well would probably help to smooth some feathers. Note that these are officially sanctioned slogans and articles at CDRInfo, not opinions/rants by forum members that could be excused as not under the direct control of the site.

Part of it may have to do with their tendency to, shall we say, appropriate material without proper attribution. Does the following look familiar?

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(from http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/Software/All.asp?Category=Writing%20Quality)

It should, because I wrote it here at CDRLabs just a couple of weeks ago. They didn't attribute it to me or CDRLabs, and they certainly didn't ask me for my permission to copy it. I'm pretty sure they didn't ask Ian either. They were even worse with the original English translation of CD Doctor 1.0.4 beta, which they downloaded from CDRLabs (the only place it was available at the time), repackaged without the password that Miyuri, the author of CD Doctor, specifically wanted in the zip archive, and hosted on another server to which they linked. Again, this was all done without attribution to or permission from Miyuri, CDRLabs, or me.

Halcyon has recently pointed out that you can get some good information at CDRInfo. He is right. There is some good information there. But there is also some bad information and behavior there. I personally feel that CDRInfo could stand to clean up its act in a number of areas. Maybe then there wouldn't be hard feelings.

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Postby jase on Fri Jul 25, 2003 6:47 pm

Yes, I guess you have a point, I wouldn't like to have data I'd posted ripped off without any thanks being given.

I prefer to keep out of inter-site bitching though. I've contributed to both sites in the past, although recently I haven't had the time or inclination to keep it up, and to be honest I'm behind the times with the latest technology -- faster rewrite speeds on a 52x writer don't excite me any more.
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Postby Noua on Fri Jul 25, 2003 8:24 pm

Well, i agree and guess you're right., although i went to the site to check the A06 review and found it very interesting. I've been looking for something like that for a while and that was the first i saw.

Good review although i think the give more emphasis to cdr/cdrw media than dvd media... I mean i wish they could do more testing with dvd media problems... I'm pretty sure that this drive isn't perfect it must have some defects and that's what interestes me most.

I wanna be able to know what kind of problems i might have and not just see how good she is...
By the way, went to plextor site and upgraded to plextools professional latest version... I'm already playing with the cd test and write and read test capabilities... Too bad that the q-check test are only available for premium drives. Mine is a 482448A.. Maybe someone will find a way... :D:D:D:D...

Done 2 reading tests so far... One with speedread enable and the other disabled for a win XP backup Princo CDr. Done 2 tests with blank princo media (difference on cd preferences)... Guess this is not the place to speak about this anyway, so that will be it :-? :o ... At least for now... :D:D
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Postby Bhairav on Sat Jul 26, 2003 12:28 pm

Hi Noua. When is the drive expected? Tuesday right?

1)Yep,your hardware config. seems alright. Try keeping the new A06 on its own on an IDE channel, ie. no other device with it.

2)Yep, also check with whichever DVD media you can get, that would be cool :)

3)Your idea of downclocking the Duron is a good one, because upping the FSB, which is what I'm assuming you are doing, has been known to mess around with the PCI bus, because it's speed will be increased from the nominal 33 MHz.

4)Just curious, but are you going to try it with Nero 6?

Thanks a bunch for going through all this trouble just for us geeks!

Nós somos todos muito gratos!

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Postby Noua on Sun Jul 27, 2003 5:28 pm

Nós somos todos muito gratos!


That came ou ok!! ;) You're on the good way...

Indeed the overclocking i did was made by increasing the FSB of the processor... I was able to make the 900 go to the 1100, but it wasn't stable so I let him for a while o the 1050MH.. Some times it would freeze but i didn't made any real test to see if any improvment was made.. Nevertheless i droped it to the original 900.

Tomorroy I'll go tho store I usuly use to get the 106... I'll post some pictures (if necessary) and some first impressions later that day...

By the way, I made a new post on a possible new pioneer drive, anyone knows anything about it?
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Postby Raz0rX on Sun Jul 27, 2003 9:40 pm

Today, I bought a spindle of Legacy 4x rated DVD-R media, those discs are made by Princo. With my Pioneer 106 with latest 1.06 firmware, it can only burn them @ a whopping 1x.

Media code:

00000000 00 42 00 00 01 40 C1 FD 9E D8 50 00 02 98 0C 13 .B...@....P.....
00000010 76 78 80 00 03 50 52 49 4E 43 4F 00 04 00 00 00 vx...PRINCO.....
00000020 00 00 00 00 05 88 80 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 ................

So far, I have only tried Ritek +R @ 4x, unbranded Princo -R 4x @ 4x (not the Legacy one), unbranded Optodisc -R @ 1x, unbranded Maxell -R@ 2x. Gonna refund the spindle for some other kinds of discs.
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Postby jase on Mon Jul 28, 2003 10:19 am

Does the drive spin up and down repeatedly before burning the rogue 4x Princo discs?

I have to say that in my two 105s, I've not come across a 4x Princo that won't burn at 4x. Perhaps these are incorrectly labelled?

[Note to self: must buy a 106 to test more thoroughly.....]
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Postby Noua on Mon Jul 28, 2003 1:07 pm

Well... Sad news for me... :( The Pioneer 106 is sold out on the store I was goanna buy. Just came from there and the worst thing is that they’ll be closed for vacations from 31 July to 24 august :-? , so unless I find the 106 with a good price on another store, I guess I’ll have to wait a few more days. :o
The had the 105 for a very good price. 185€… :D It makes me think that instead of getting the 106 (witch is sold out) I should get the 105, patched it with a good firmware and forget the +r media format… :lol:

Tham... My choice was already made…
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Postby Raz0rX on Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:28 pm

Jase, I didn't pay attention to the drive's spin up and down sound when burning those unbranded Princo -R 4x discs. I will get more either Princo or Ritek after I refund my Legacy spindle.
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Postby Bhairav on Tue Jul 29, 2003 2:35 am

Noua wrote:Well... Sad news for me... :( The Pioneer 106 is sold out on the store I was goanna buy. Just came from there and the worst thing is that they’ll be closed for vacations from 31 July to 24 august :-? , so unless I find the 106 with a good price on another store, I guess I’ll have to wait a few more days. :o
The had the 105 for a very good price. 185€… :D It makes me think that instead of getting the 106 (witch is sold out) I should get the 105, patched it with a good firmware and forget the +r media format… :lol:

Tham... My choice was already made…


Ahh damn! I know what it feels like to waaaaaaaaait for something you really want. So what have you decided? I'm getting an A05 on Friday (woot!), and Jase (who,IMO, knows his stuff..) seems to like it,so I think it will be a pretty good buy!
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Postby Noua on Tue Jul 29, 2003 4:25 am

I found a Portuguese website that has the 106 for 250€ and the 105 for 190€. Almost the same prices as my “usual store”… Maybe with this price difference I’ll go with the 105… You can also burn 4x and the cheapest media here is the –r format so right about now the balance has turned into 105 favors…
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