Media Compatibility With CD-RW Drives - Which Media Is Best?

by **Harrier** on Tue Sep 02, 2003 5:59 pm

kgatwork wrote:
bhairavp wrote:Ah well, Harrier and dodecahedron, atleast you get SOME TY media there. Here, the only TY media I could find was some OLD HP 16X stuff. Burnt well @ 40X though!
Otherwise MBI and Verbatim DLP cds are available here, and they are pretty good.

Those 16x HP's are made by TY and on my systems consistenly burn with c1 errors less than 0.050, yes thats right very low error rates. Written and read with a rebadged Ltr-48246 at the max speed of 40x. The Fuji 48x TY don't seem to burn that good.

1. Could you post a picture of the hp cdrs appearance?
2. Maybe a Kprobe scan too?

by **TheWizard** on Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:07 pm

bhairavp wrote:Verbatim DLP (Made in Singapore)
Burned @ 24X, Smart-Burn Limit was 32X.
Drive : 52246S, 6S0D.
Media rated @ 16X.

And the Nero CD Speed ScanDisc report?

by **Bhairav** on Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:24 pm

Wizard: All green.
Harrier: Gimme some time, let me dig up those discs. I'll post the KProbe scans.

by **TheWizard** on Tue Sep 02, 2003 11:44 pm

Excellent, thanks bhairavp.

by **sonyman** on Wed Sep 03, 2003 9:45 pm

Lite-On LTR-52327S (QS09) Test Results:

Memorex Media
Manufactured by Prodisc
Rated At 48X
Smart Burn Limit: 48X
Actual Max Speed: 49.27X at 79:59:72
Average Speed: 37.47X
Elapsed Burn Time: 2:37
Surface Scan Results: Good: 98.54% Damaged: 1.46%.

Media has been sitting on rack for approximately 6 months to 1 year, which could be the cause of the degredation of the media quality.

Scott

by **mrk1283** on Wed Sep 03, 2003 11:07 pm

I got some Datasafe Datawrite unmarked speed media (the black bottom type) from SVP the other day, they are detected by Nero/SMartburn as max 16x but with smartburn off I can burn them at 52x perfectly with 708MB of data being the limit of overburn on these discs!

Very pleased with Datasafe media

the cdr's: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/robbiekhan ... ck_cdr.jpg

I also used 700MB Imation CDR's rated at 48x+, burned at 52x without fail, overburning not tried too much but 705MB success 100%

Writer: lite-on 52x32x52

by **Bhairav** on Thu Sep 04, 2003 5:05 am

Benq 48X CD-R
Gold 700 MB

ATIP: 97m 22s 67f
Disc Manufacturer: Acer Media Technology, Inc.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

Smart-Burn Limit: 52X
Burnt @ 52X.
Lite-On 52246S, 6S0D.

CDSpeed: All green

CD-Doctor: C1 Min: 0 C1 Max: 8 C1 Avg: 1.18

C2 : All zero.

by **TheWizard** on Fri Sep 05, 2003 5:18 am

Wow, thank you, one and all!

mrk1283: Do you know who manufactures those Datawrite CD's? Nero InfoTool or Lite-ON's SmartBURN software will tell the manufacturer.

by **Bhairav** on Fri Sep 05, 2003 6:04 am

Lite-On 52327S, FW:QS09 (at my neighbour's house :wink:

)

1)Verbatim DLP 16X
Smart Burn Limit: 32x
Burnt at 16X, 100% green in ScanDisc.

2)Benq 48X Gold: ATIP posted above.
Smart BUrn Limit: 52X
Burnt At: 52X, 100% green in ScanDisc.

3)Moser Baer India Limited 52X Pro
Smart Burn Limit: 52X
Burnt At: 52X, 100% green in ScanDisc.

4)TDK CD-R 80 12X
ATIP: 97m 15s 12f
Disc Manufacturer: Ritek Co.
Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

Smart-Burn Limit: 24X. Burnt @ 24X, 100% green in ScanDisc.
Improvement over my 52246S, that could only burn these @ 16X.

5)HP CD-R 16X (Made In Taiwan)
ATIP: 97m 27s 66f
Disc Manufacturer: Ricoh Company Ltd.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

Smart Burn Limit: 52X (!!!)
Burnt at: 32X
100% green in ScanDisc.

6)
Princo 2X-48X
ATIP: 97m 27s 28f
Disc Manufacturer: Princo Co.
Reflective layer: Dye (Short strategy; e.g. Phthalocyanine)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

Smart Burn Limit: 52X
Burnt at: 48X
ScanDisc: 100% green.

by **TheWizard** on Sat Sep 06, 2003 1:49 am

You know I love results! Thanks again, bhairavp!

by **Bhairav** on Sat Sep 06, 2003 10:49 pm

You're welcome

by **David** on Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:31 pm

E3 Works vinyl cd-r 24x
Manufacturer : Lead Data
Code : 97m26s53f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.74 703 MB

Burned 100% green at 24x with Ltr-52246s 6s0f (K-probe | Max 17 | total 9147 | avg 3.519)

by **TheWizard** on Thu Sep 11, 2003 11:56 pm

Thanks, David. I'm glad, for you, that those E3 Works/LD discs are better than the normal E3 Works/LD (non vinyl) that I have. They are rated at 48X, but only burn successfully at 24X in all of my LG burners.

by **MediumRare** on Sat Sep 13, 2003 5:42 pm

I kept running across these spindles of 50 Fuji's, but this is a bit much for a test purchase. Today I saw them at 13 Euros and took the plunge (this qualifies as a hot deal here!). I was expecting them to be made by Fuji, but they turned out to be Ritek. I thought :evil:

, I've got enough Riteks. But these are good, as good as the best Riteks I've encountered to date (TDK 40x).

Code: Select all: LiteOn LTR 48246S Firmware SS0B...........Fujifilm/RTK 80min 48X..................48X

CD-Speed: all green; KProbe: C1 max/ave: 6/0.14 for a VCD (max=32x) 7/0.24 for a data disk (max=48x).
ATIP from SmartBurn 3.1.1:

Code: Select all: Drive Type = CD-RW Disc Type = CDR (A-) Material = Phthalocyanine Lead In = 97:15:17 Lead Out = 79:59:70 Nominal Capacity = 702.82MB (79m 59s 70f/LBA:359845) Manufacturer Maybe = RiTEK Smart-Burn Speed Limit = Wrt(48X),Rd(48X)

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by **XIII** on Sun Sep 14, 2003 9:12 am

Some additional LiteOn LTR52327S (firmware QS09) results:

Code: Select all: Philips CD-R 90 800MB MultiSpeed / RiTEK(90min) ... 48x

Unfortunately 1 "unreadable" error @52x on these (at exactly the same block):

Code: Select all: Maxell CD-R 80 XL-S 700MB 48x / RiTEK ............. ??x Verbatim CD-R 700MB 48x / MCC,BAGDAD .............. ??x

Perhaps I am able to post positive results on them later...

What's the general policy? retry at 52x or step down to lower speeds (48x, 40x, 32x, ...)

by **TheWizard** on Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:41 am

MediumRare: Thanks

XIII: Usually try stepping down and see how the results are at 48X. If they are still bad then go down to 40X. BTW, the unreadable block, did it happen to be the absolute last block scanned? If it was then it is a known bug in CD Speed that occurs with discs that were burned with Track-At-Once (TAO).

by **dolphinius_rex** on Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:46 am

Burned on Plextor Premium running V1.03 Firmware

Code: Select all: Drive Type = CD-RW Disc Type = CDR (C-) Material = Phthalocyanine Lead In = 97:27:55 Lead Out = 74:05:10 Nominal Capacity = 650.85MB (74m 05s 10f/LBA:333235) Manufacturer Maybe = Mitsui Smart-Burn Speed Limit = Wrt(16X),Rd(48X)

I burned the disc at 20x with PowerRecord turned off and I *STILL* got all green! However a look with K-Probe showed the disc was starting to show signs of not being happy with my burn speeds:

By the way, these discs are Mitsui IMAC (coloured) CD-Rs, certified for 12x burning.

EDIT:

My LiteON 40125S running VS0D (OC'd to 48125W)
Burned the above Mitsui CD-R at 16x and Scandisc reported it as all green. However when I turned SmartBurn off, and tried to burn the disc at 24x, I came up with 4.96% Damaged blocks, and 95.04% Good (0.00%
unreadable). So I guess the LiteON doesn't burn this media as well :cry:

Oh, all burned discs were scanned on my LiteON 48125W

EDIT 2:

I tried burning the same media type on my Plextor Premium at 24x with Power Record off... and it worked. However only 2 of the 3 times I scanned it with CD Speed did it come out all green, the other time it had 1 single yellow block. It's up to you how you want to count this :wink:

Here's what the K-Probe scan looks like:

As you can see, it actually had a better score at 24x then it did at 20x.... hrm, should I try for 32x???

Edit 3:

Okay, I tried burning the same Mitsui Media at 32x on my Plextor Premium with Power Record off. And..... it worked! Again! CD Speed still shows all green, and k-probe looks like this:

EDIT 4:

This disc was burned at 40x on the Plextor Premium (still running firmware 1.03) with Power Record turned off.

ScanDisc showed it as all green once again! and here's the K-Probe scan done at 40x

EDIT 5:

Same drive, same firmware. Disc burned at 52x this time.

Scandisc shows all green, and K-Probe shows:

Umm... I guess I'm done... I can't burn it any faster! :wink:

by **XIII** on Mon Sep 15, 2003 12:22 pm

TheWizard wrote:BTW, the unreadable block, did it happen to be the absolute last block scanned? If it was then it is a known bug in CD Speed that occurs with discs that were burned with Track-At-Once (TAO).

On both discs the unreadable block was the last burned block, not the last block on the disc. So what do you mean with "absolute last"?
Both were indeed burned with Track-At-Once.

Does this mean that the disc qualify at 52x?

by **DeathStalker77** on Mon Sep 15, 2003 4:45 pm

FWIW, I'll toss my 2 cents in - sorry I don't have SmartBurn or other stats to post at this moment.

Memorex 48x 100pk spindle - overburn success to 721mb
Imation 48x 100pk spindle - overburn success to 716mb
Fuji 48x 50pk spindle - overburn success to 710mb

Forgot to note the overburn on Maxell 40x.

Memorex are pretty much my favorite at this point.

This is on both a Samsung SW-252B and an AOpen 4048.

All overburns were done at reduced speed (24x or 32x), just for safety's sake.

Per my other post, the Samsung is getting traded back in (hopefully for a LiteOn) - and the AOpen was traded back in (After almost a year - thank you BestBuy!

) for the Samsung.

Can I get a response on the best place (US) to get 90min and 99min CDRs? I found one place and got a good spindle of each (Generic silver), but would like additional options.

Thanks!

--- DeathStalker77

by **kgatwork** on Mon Sep 15, 2003 8:14 pm

Harrier wrote:
kgatwork wrote:
bhairavp wrote:Ah well, Harrier and dodecahedron, atleast you get SOME TY media there. Here, the only TY media I could find was some OLD HP 16X stuff. Burnt well @ 40X though!
Otherwise MBI and Verbatim DLP cds are available here, and they are pretty good.

Those 16x HP's are made by TY and on my systems consistenly burn with c1 errors less than 0.050, yes thats right very low error rates. Written and read with a rebadged Ltr-48246 at the max speed of 40x. The Fuji 48x TY don't seem to burn that good.

1. Could you post a picture of the hp cdrs appearance?
2. Maybe a Kprobe scan too?

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, I just noticed this post.

The HP disks have a white background and the HP tm symbol at the top and were purchased in 50 pack spindles from SEARS when they were dumping them for 5 bucks apiece. I picked up a bunch of spindles most of the spindles were 40x capable and a few, maybe 5 were only 24x capable (older stocker) according to smartburn. I think I only have about 6 spindles left which are now used exclusively for archiving important data because they perform better than the current crop of FUJI's on my system.

I'd love to post an image of both the kprobe png and a picture of the actual disk, but I don't have any online storage with my ISP.

If you want them I can email them to you and maybe you can display them. Just let me know if you want them.

Hope this helps.

by **TheWizard** on Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:05 am

XIII wrote:On both discs the unreadable block was the last burned block, not the last block on the disc. So what do you mean with "absolute last"?
Both were indeed burned with Track-At-Once.

Does this mean that the disc qualify at 52x?

The last burned block, that's what I meant.

Yes, the discs qualify at 52X. As mentioned, the last unreadable block is a known bug with CD Speed.

by **TheWizard** on Wed Sep 17, 2003 3:15 am

DeathStalker77 wrote:Can I get a response on the best place (US) to get 90min and 99min CDRs? I found one place and got a good spindle of each (Generic silver), but would like additional options.

Check out this thread - http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11417

by **Harrier** on Wed Sep 17, 2003 7:08 am

Here are kgatwork's results with the HP spindle.
If i recall correctly these are produced by TY and certified for 16X.
Smart-burn gave him 40X.

This next cdr was burned at 40X with a Buslink (OEM LiteOn).

You can check out the cdrs' looks here:

http://user.7host.com/weezer2001/cdrw/untitled.jpg

By the way, is this spindle typical for TY spindles (The screw cap pin)?

by **cfitz** on Wed Sep 17, 2003 9:15 am

Harrier wrote:By the way, is this spindle typical for TY spindles (The screw cap pin)?

It is typical of older TY packaging.

cfitz

by **DeathStalker77** on Wed Sep 17, 2003 12:52 pm

Wizard:

Thanks - I've checked out most of those places before. I did my last (only) order of them with AllMediaOutlet, so I have no problems with them - I was just checking if there were any others around

--- DeathStalker77

FWIW, I've been REAL happy with the 90mins from them - actually got OVER 93mins burned on one (put it in by accident instead of the 99).

I haven't gotten around to running CDRIdent on them yet to confirm mfr.

Media Compatibility With CD-RW Drives - Which Media Is Best?

Fuji 48x (RiTEK)

Some additional LiteOn LTR52327S results

Results OK?

CDRWs

Re: Results OK?

Re: CDRWs

90-99min CDRs

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