Media Compatibility With CD-RW Drives - Which Media Is Best?

by **dodecahedron** on Sat May 17, 2003 12:59 pm

Beiko wrote:BTW If info is missing from this post let me know and I'll add it.

what is your burner ?

by **Beiko** on Sat May 17, 2003 1:01 pm

LOL It is a LG GCE-8520B firmware 1.03 (placed the burner in the subject line...prolly not a good idea

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by **dodecahedron** on Sat May 17, 2003 1:05 pm

LOL yeah, my bad, i missed it!

sorry about that.
but it's kind of hard to catch a new subject in mid-topic, it's in such small letters...

by **cfitz** on Sat May 17, 2003 1:07 pm

Don't feel bad, dodecahdron, I had the same question at first, then happened to notice the fine print. :lol:

cfitz

by **CDRnovice** on Sun May 25, 2003 2:47 pm

I'm still debating whether to stick with my Prodisc media or to buy some new TY discs for burning music CD-Rs.

Here are recent results I've obtained from KProbe tests (Memorex 52MAXX/LiteOn burner) on various CD media:

Prodisc disc 1 (48x 80 min CD-R):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 049 10115 3.238
C2: 261 02972 0.951

Prodisc disc 2 (ditto):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 28 8296 2.716
C2: 36 0036 0.012

Prodisc disc 3 (ditto):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 27 13633 5.451
C2: 00 00000 0.000

Sony disc 1 (80 min CD-R, manufacturer Sony):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 14 1996 1.257
C2: 01 0001 0.001

Sony disc 2 (ditto):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 91 5991 2.179
C2: 83 0278 0.101

JVC disc (80 min CD-R, manufacturer Ritek):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 11 268 3.722
C2: 00 000 0.000

MSOffice CD-ROM disc (manufacturer Unknown):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 12 4472 1.570
C2: 00 0000 0.000

Music Store CD #1 (approx 5-10 years old):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 15 4943 1.886
C2: 00 0000 0.000

Music Store CD #2 (approx 5-10 years old):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 31 9309 6.424
C2: 42 0131 0.090

Music Store CD #3 (approx 5-10 years old):
Err Max Total Avg
C1: 139 50071 20.977
C2: 000 00000 00.000

I tested the CD-ROMs and store-bought CDs for comparison purposes. These results give the impression that Microsoft uses high quality discs for software distribution. Same thing seems to hold true for store-bought music CDs, although the second disc has some C2s and the third disc has a high C1 count. The two Sony CD-Rs have low C1s but also have some C2s.

I'm new to CD-R technology so I'm not sure whether I should continue burning my music using Prodisc CD-Rs or switch to TY discs. I'd like my music CD-Rs to last at least 10 years and I'll be sure to take good care of the discs.

I read that TY uses cyanine dye and Prodisc uses pthalocyanine (supposed to last much longer than cyanine). So, in terms of number of CD-R errors, quality, and longevity, should I switch to TY discs or are my Prodisc CD-Rs good enough for music recording? I do have a concern about the C2 errors on some of my recently burned Prodisc CD-Rs. Since C2 errors are correctable, should I be concerned about them? Will large numbers of C2s cause noticeable audio skips or pops?

by **dodecahedron** on Sun May 25, 2003 3:19 pm

Asus CRW-4012A firmware 1.0
Fuji branded media, made in Japan, 12x rated.

CDR Identifier wrote:ATIP: 97m 26s 40f
Disc Manufacturer: FUJI Photo Film Co., Ltd.
Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

burned at 12x with 0 errors.

btw Nero (or should i say FlextraLink) would let me choose 16x, but since it's 12x rated so i stuck at 12x.
i value the integrity of my data more than my time.

by **TheWizard** on Mon May 26, 2003 3:15 am

Thanks dodecaHEdron.

CDRnovice: Why not make backups of your existing music CD's that have C2 errors? Two copies are better than one. :wink:

Back them up on whichever media you see fit, although TY is definitely a good choice.

by **CDRnovice** on Mon May 26, 2003 4:55 pm

TheWizard: Good idea.

That's a common sense approach. The discs are so inexpensive, it does make sense to create a second copy of my CD-Rs.

You mentioned firmware. I have a Memorex 52MAXX burner that seems to work very well. Is there any reason why I should ever update its firmware? What are the advantages, disadvantages, and risks of updating CD-R/W drive firmware?

by **TheWizard** on Tue May 27, 2003 5:39 am

The overarching risk of updating firmware is that you may render the drive inoperable, if the firmware update is done incorrectly. More often than not, the advantage to updating firmware is more compatibility with blank media. Sometimes updating firmware will provide other bugfixes, but mostly it's a media compatibility issue. My philosophy, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."

by **kilahchris** on Wed May 28, 2003 3:43 am

can someone tell me , why certain CDRW Drives are unable to burn certain cd at their optimals speeds.

I know the CD-R media is to blame for this, however i want a physical explaination how certain media differs in causing certain writers to burn data on the cd with less then optimal speeds.

by **TheWizard** on Thu May 29, 2003 6:09 am

Check out this thread, kilahchris...

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=11007

In it you will find explanations of why some media can burn faster than others; it usually boils down to the quality of the dye and the quality of the stamper (the actual plastic disc). Some CD's have poor, inconsistent dye whereas others are poorly molded stampers.

by **aviationwiz** on Thu May 29, 2003 9:30 pm

Anyone have results for the Premium yet?

by **David** on Fri May 30, 2003 1:13 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Branded : E3 Works
Manufacturer : Ritek
Code : 97m15s12f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.73 703 MB

Burned at 48x no errors

by **TheWizard** on Sun Jun 01, 2003 10:32 am

Thanks David. Wow, has Ritek switched from pthalocyanine to cyanine dye?

by **David** on Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:01 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Unbranded 16x max speed
Manufacturer : Gigastorage
Code : 97m28s12f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.74 703 MB

Burned at 32x no errors

by **aviationwiz** on Fri Jun 06, 2003 10:42 pm

Plextor Premium
Firmware: 1.0

Fuji/TY 48x PoweRec: 40x
Verbatim/MC 48x PoweRec: 52x
TDK/CMC 48x PoweRec: 32x
Memorex/CMC 48x PoweRec: 24x
Memorex/TY 40x PoweRec: 32x

by **faithfoo** on Sat Jun 07, 2003 5:45 am

WHich is the best CDRW media which gives the least occurence of bad sector or unreadable data

by **dodecahedron** on Sat Jun 07, 2003 2:15 pm

@aviationwiz:
why don't you upgrade the f/w to 1.01?
http://www.plextor.be/English/technical ... emium.html

@faitfoo:
Verbatim/Mitsubishi CDRW are considered by many the best.

by **TheWizard** on Sat Jun 07, 2003 4:35 pm

Thanks David and aviationwiz. As always, keep 'em coming!

by **David** on Sun Jun 08, 2003 12:51 am

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Unbranded 32x
Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Capacity : 79:59.74 703 MB

Burned at 32x no errors

by **David** on Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:10 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Memorex 48x
Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Capacity : 79:59.73 703 MB

Burned at 48x no errors

by **Bhairav** on Sat Jun 14, 2003 8:17 am

Result for Lite-On LTR52246S

Drive : Lite-On 52246S
FW - 6S0D

ATIP: 97m 34s 21f
Disc Manufacturer: Mitsubishi Chemicals Corp.
Reflective layer: Dye (Long strategy; e.g. Cyanine, Azo etc.)
Media type: CD-Recordable
Recording Speeds: min. unknown - max. unknown
nominal Capacity: 702.83MB (79m 59s 74f / LBA: 359849)

Cover says: Verbatim DLP 16X Color (Made In Taiwan)
Smart Burn Limit - 32X

Burnt At: 32X

Nice! And I thought Lite-On + old Verbatim = ?

One question though.. why those spikes at the end? It happened to me on pretty much all the 12 discs I burned from that pack.
Scandisc was still green though.

by **David** on Sat Jun 14, 2003 11:25 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Imation Neon 16x
Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Capacity : 79:59.74 703 MB

Burned at 16x no errors

by **TheWizard** on Sun Jun 15, 2003 4:08 am

One person posts results, then another...back and forth, back and forth...I love it as long as the results keep coming! Thanks guys.

by **David** on Sun Jun 15, 2003 12:40 pm

Results for Benq 4824P Firmware D.UC

Verbatim 48x DLP
Manufacturer : Mitsubishi
Code : 97m34s23f
Disc Type : CD-R
Recording Layer : Dye Type 3: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Capacity : 79:59.73 703 MB

Burned with no errors at 48x

Media Compatibility With CD-RW Drives - Which Media Is Best?

Re: LG GCE-8520B firmware 1.03

Prodisc media quality tests

which CDRW

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