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shadows on dvd-r or cd-r, safety data ?

Postby johnnyz on Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:06 am

thanks for your answer.
when i record a dvd-r disc there are some dust on the disc.
when finished recording i see some shadows on the disc, i think it's the dust
blocked the light. so is the data that recorded in the shadows safety backuped
and can be read out?
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Postby Justin42 on Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:22 pm

One of the first CDs I burned years ago had a hair on it I didn't see and I managed to burn quite the nice shadow on the disc-- it worked fine, but to be safe, I would re-burn. If it caused enough problems to cause a shadow, I would think the quality of the burn under that shadow would be affected.
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Postby jase on Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:45 pm

On CDR drives, these "shadows" generally result in higher C1 error rates than normal on that section.

It'll be the same for DVDR. I agree, if it's absolutely critical data I'd reburn. Although it is very easy to get paranoid about small blemishes ;)
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excuse me

Postby johnnyz on Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:06 am

excuse me, what do you mean by "higher C1 error rates than normal " ??
But finnally, the data can be read, isn't it?
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Postby jase on Wed Apr 30, 2003 6:47 am

Well all CDs (and DVDs for that matter) have errors on them, even the best ones. If you look at some of Ian's reviews here, you'll see that in the tests.

Basically (and I know this is a gross oversimplification guys, but bear with me ;)) on a CDR there are 3 levels of error: C1 error, which is completely normal and is handled by the error correction process, C2 error, which is a more serious error and can only sometimes be masked by the system, and an unreadable sector (terminal!)

A disc can have hundreds of thousands of C1 errors and still be totally readable. But when there's a scratch, or a shadow, or just an area of the disc that's badly manufactured, this area suffers an increase of C1 errors. The disc is still 100% readable, but there is always the chance that this area could get worse over time -- if the disc is going to deteriorate (and all discs do over time), this bad area will suffer first. So whereas a clean disc may last 15 or 20 years, that one small area may only last 3 or 4.

Think of it like when you're shaving. You could have a small spot on your face. This spot causes no pain, and normally shaving doesn't cut the skin unless you keep shaving and shaving until you eventually tear the skin, but if you shave over the spot, you'll be in agony on that one small area. Same sort of thing; the deterioration applies uniformly over the disc, but each time the disc deteriorates by a certain amount, that bad area is being brought closer to the point where you can't read it any more, and will get there sooner than if it wasn't there.

For non-critical data, it doesn't matter one jot. But if you need to keep the disc over the longer term, copy it onto another disc.
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Postby johnnyz on Wed Apr 30, 2003 7:14 am

Thanks a lot.
I got the details of the problem.
can i have your email address, i probably have
some questions about making DVD video to ask.
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Postby cfitz on Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:27 am

johnnyz wrote:can i have your email address, i probably have
some questions about making DVD video to ask.

Please feel free to post your questions on the public forums. We actually prefer it that way, since it doesn't unduly burden any one person, it exposes your question to a greater audience of posters who might have the answers to your questions, and it maintains a record for the benefit of others who might have similar questions. Please see point 5 of the posting guidelines:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 0677#50677

Also, if you have not already done so, you should check out the site www.dvdrhelp.com for lots of great information on burning DVD videos.

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Postby johnnyz on Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:40 pm

OK.
the next question is
I have some Blue CD-Rs recorded 3 or 4 years ago with a 2x recorder.
now they are unreadable.I think it's due to "a higher than C1 rate error".
How can I make them readable? is there any chemical or physical method?
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Postby cfitz on Wed Apr 30, 2003 1:14 pm

Readable but with errors, not readable at all, or not even recognized by the drive?

In general there is nothing you can physically do to a disc to improve its readability unless the problem is due to scratches. In that case you can buy a CD polishing kit that might help. Otherwise, your only hope is to try a different drive that might have better luck reading it. There are also some CD recovery programs that try extra hard to read bad CD's and might help. Read through the following thread:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7427#47427

Here are some specific posts within that thread that list programs for recovering data:

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7446#47446
http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7676#47676
http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 7598#47598

By the way, this question really belongs in the CD-R/CD-RW forum.

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