Ok what is InCD

[Albinoni]

Hi and happy new year to everybody here. Ok, now with my Nero software I've also got InCD with it as well. I am slightly confused on what InCD really is and whats is its purpose. Is it only used for CD-RW media or can it also be used for CD-R media as well. Does it also act like a big floppy drive etc etc.

Also when would you need to use it and for what purpose.

[Action Jackson]

InCD is for packet writing purpose. CDRW's usually.

But they can also be applied to CD-R's as well.

It's to add info to a CDR/W incrementally.

[lightningbaron]

InCD also support DVD recordable drives as well these days for packet writing. I am using InCD with DVD+RW (2.4x) media on a Sony DRX-500UL.

[dodecahedron]

Is it only used for CD-RW media or can it also be used for CD-R media as well.

InCD is for packet writing purpose. CDRW's usually.

But they can also be applied to CD-R's as well.

InCD works only with CDRW media.
DirectCD can packet-write to CDR media as well as CDRW.

[coolestnitish]

Ok, as we're on the topic of RW, I have a question too. I have a MRW disc written using InCD. I bring the disc to my friend's computer and try and read it in his DVD-ROM and his CD-RW (it doesn't support Mount Rainier) and it doesn't work. I already tried independant software like "Read CD MRW!" and it still doesn't read the disc. What software should I use? Please Help. Thanks.

[dodecahedron]

to read a MRW disc, install EasyWriteReader from ahead's website.

http://www.nero.com/en/index.html#download

at the bottom of the page you will find the EasyWriteReader.exe .
this is a driver that enables reading of EasyWrite (= Mt. Rainier) discs on systems that don't have InCD istalled on them.

i don't know why Read CD MRW! didn't work for you, maybe it's not compatible with InCD MRW discs ???

[lightningbaron]

dodecahedron - I believe InCD has been updated to support DVDRW drives as well?

[Action Jackson]

InCD works only with CDRW media.
DirectCD can packet-write to CDR media as well as CDRW.

Doh!

Your right. I've been using DCD so long it has brainwashed me.

[dodecahedron]

dodecahedron - I believe InCD has been updated to support DVDRW drives as well?

i was referring to Albinoni's and Action Jackson's posts, as can be seen from the quotes.
as far as CD media goes, only CDRW.

i belive you are right, that InCD does work with ReWritable DVD media, but i'm not sure if both DVD-RW and DVD+RW are supported.

[coolestnitish]

dodecahedron: I tried EasyWrite Reader but without any success too. It said succesfull installation, rebooted but the CD-MRW still won't read. My friend had Nero installed, but he didn't have InCD. So does it mean that in order to read MRW discs you need InCD installed, and then EasyWrite Reader would work? But if a person doesn't have a Mount Rainier CD-RW drive, why should they have InCD?

[KCK]

coolestnitish:

dodecahedron was right in suggesting that EasyWriteReader should be downloaded from Ahead's site, because the version included on InCD formatted discs sometimes doesn't work correctly.

However, the explanation of EasyWriteReader's uses should be expanded.

XP SP1 can read CD-RW UDF 1.50 discs without extra readers; e.g., before installing InCD and EasyWriteReader on my XP SP1 box, I could read InCD (non-MRW) formatted discs in my DVD-ROM drive. After installing InCD 3.51.91, my LTR-48125W burner could of course handle both CD-RW and CD-MRW discs, but CD-MRW discs were still not readable in my DVD-ROM drive; they became readable after additional installation of EasyWriteReader.

For XP without SP1, and apparently all earlier versions of Windows, one needs EasyWriteReader to read both CD-RW and CD-MRW InCD discs in CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drives.

For instance, in an earlier experiment, I had only Nero and EasyWriteReader installed on my 98SE box, and its DVD-ROM could read both CD-RW and CD-MRW InCD discs, but neither were readable before installing EasyWriteReader.

To sum up, I don't believe one needs both EasyWriteReader and InCD installed to read CD-MRW.

As for Read CD MRW!, I tried it on my 98SE box in September '02 (because at that time EasyWriteReader stopped recognizing my CD-MRW discs formatted with InCD 3.29 and 3.31), but it didn't work.

Starting from InCD 3.51.61 and the latest EasyWriteReader, the only problems I had on my 98SE and XP boxes were with using discs formatted by earlier versions of InCD. However, even those seldom problems might have been due to poor media (I'm using very cheap media).

Now, to troubleshoot your EasyWriteReader problem, we would need more details. Which OS version is your friend using?

When you first tried reading your CD-MRW disc in his DVD-ROM, did you get the IE prompt asking if you wanted to install EasyWriteReader? If yes, how did you reply? If not, does your friend have Autoinsert Notification on (98x or ME) or Autorun on (W2K or XP)? (You can check via Nero InfoTool.) What did Explorer show as the disc contents?

Did you try reading only one CD-MRW or more? If a single one, did you try to verify its integrity, e.g., by CD Speed ScanDisc? I heard about instances where CD-MRW discs exhibited errors in initial sectors, and such discs were usable only in the original burner.

Next, EasyWriteReader may not work simply due to conflicts with other burning software (Roxio's UDF Reader, DirectCD, Adaptec's burning plugin of WMP, RealOne Player's plugins, WinAmp's plugins, Veritas' plugin, etc.). Hence you could try removing all such software (including Read CD MRW!) before installing EasyWriteReader again.

[coolestnitish]

All this tempted me to try that CD-MRW disc in my Pioneer DVD-116 and sure enough it didn't read it. I have XP Pro with SP1 and the disc didn't read. Then I installed EasyWrite Reader and it still doesn't read it. When I put the disc in, it doesn't let me see the contents in explorer (My Computer stops responding). I have the latest version of InCD and I don't have DirectCD installed anymore. Any suggestions? The only place this disc seems to work is in the LiteOn burner itself.

[KCK]

coolestnitish:

Please provide more details when responding. I can only repeat two questions from my former post, and add a couple of new ones.

1. When you first tried reading your CD-MRW disc in your DVD-ROM, did you get the IE prompt asking if you wanted to install EasyWriteReader? If yes, how did you reply? If not, do you have Autorun on for your DVD-ROM, as reported by Nero InfoTool?

2. Did you try reading only one CD-MRW or more? If a single one, did you try to verify its integrity, e.g., by CD Speed ScanDisc?

3. When you insert that CD-MRW disc into your DVD-ROM drive, does the disc spin up? Do you get any error reports in the Event Log?

4. What does Nero InfoTool say about your ASPI?

I presume you have InCD 3.51.91; if not, please upgrade it.

To haunt for conflicting drivers, you should look for files named as Cd*.sys, Cd*.dll, Ud*.sys, Ud*.dll. Here are listings for my XP Pro SP1 box, with Nero 5.5.10.0, InCD 3.51.91 and the latest EasyWriteReader:

dir C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\cd*.*
08/17/2001 01:52 PM 7,680 CD20XRNT.SYS
08/18/2001 07:00 AM 18,688 CDAUDIO.SYS
08/29/2002 09:58 AM 59,648 cdfs.sys
08/29/2002 09:27 AM 47,488 cdrom.sys
08/29/2002 09:27 AM 47,488 cdrom.sys

dir C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\DRIVERS\ud*.*
08/29/2002 09:06 AM 64,000 udfs.sys

dir C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\cd*.*
08/18/2001 07:00 AM 142,336 CDFVIEW.DLL
08/29/2002 11:40 AM 14,848 cdm.dll
08/18/2001 07:00 AM 15,872 CDMODEM.DLL
08/18/2001 07:00 AM 2,028,032 CDOSYS.DLL

dir C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\ud*.*
08/29/2002 11:41 AM 22,016 udhisapi.dll

For comparable listings, run these dir commands in a cmd window (Start| Run| cmd). If you see other SYS or DLL files on your box, try renaming their .SYS extensions to .SY_ and .DLL to .DL_, and reboot; you may also need to remove the registry settings for these files (I'll tell you how once you provide your listings).

Of course, if you ever installed other burning software (see the end of my previous message), then additional removals may be needed.


PS: By pure chance, I've just seen that you reported elsewhere some serious difficulties with your DVD-ROM drive. Well, unless those problems have been resolved, I'm not too happy that you forgot to mention this aspect here.

[coolestnitish]

PS: By pure chance, I've just seen that you reported elsewhere some serious difficulties with your DVD-ROM drive. Well, unless those problems have been resolved, I'm not too happy that you forgot to mention this aspect here.

Sorry if I make you mad. Yes, I've had problems with this drive. Doesn't enable DMA. Oh well, I have tried everything and now I am giving up on this drive. New DVD-ROMs are pretty cheap and when the need comes to rip faster (that's all I use it for) I'll just go and buy a new drive. Thanks for all your replies and I apologize for not replying with more detail.

[KCK]

coolestnitish:

You didn't make me mad, just "not too happy", but I couldn't find a more suitable icon!

And yes, there is little need for troubleshooting your old drive. If you get another one and still have InCD problems, I won't mind trying to help you again.

[lightningbaron]

i belive you are right, that InCD does work with ReWritable DVD media, but i'm not sure if both DVD-RW and DVD+RW are supported.

The current InCD does appear provide support for DVD-RW and DVD+RW. Presently I prefer the DVD+RW with InCD, faster format times and write speed.