How to Burn An Audio CD from Song in Hard Drive to Display

[TCAS]

I am trying to creat an audio CD by burning audio files(songs) from my hard drive, I follow complete instruction from Nero but after burning, when I start playing the CD only track numbers will display with no song title and artist name. Does any body know how and can explain it step by step, I will appreciate any help.

Thanks ;

TCAS

[Han]

Does your player support CD-Text?

[TCAS]

Yes, because I have no problem with making Audio CD with CD-RW disk and then using drag and drop or copy and paste to write audio song in formated re-writable disk. But using CD-R disk and Nero process fails to copy the name of the song or artist.

[TCAS]

Has any body come up with any solution Please?.

[Spazmogen]

I'll ask a few questions first.

1) how did the songs get onto the hard drive? Are they in .mp3 or .wav or another format? The reason I'm asking is that if it's in .mp3 the artist, song info may or may not be included in the TAG info (created by the mp3 encoder, but who ever ripped it, may not have enabled that feature). If it's a .wav file, there is no TAG info.

2) When you're burning, are you selecting DAO and putting the check mark in the box for write CD Text?

I've never bothered with this CD Text feature for audio cd's. Are you playing it back in a computer or on an audio cd player?

[TCAS]

Spazmogen:

1) Yes the songs in HD are in .mp3 format and when I do burn them in CD-RW by process of Drag & Drop, the text formate (Song name and artist name are being burnt and when playback are being displayed). Only I can't do it with CD-R disk and normal Nero process.

2) Inorder to give you a valid answer, I will try to select DAO and checked the text in CD write and report the result.

3) It will be nice to know what song you are playing and from whom.

Thanks for your reply, I will get back with answer to your question number 2 when I try that process.

[Inertia]

TCAS

The process that you are using with a formatted CD-RW to copy MP3 files does not create an audio disc or CD Text. MP3 files are data files (with music content), and a MP3 capable player can read the artist and title from the data files.

CD Text is an extension to the Red Book audio CD specifications. It encodes the title and artist information in subchannels, and this process is not supported by all burners.

To write CD Text, it must be supported by your burner. To test and play it on your computer you must also use a CD Text capable player. The hardware reader must support it also, whether computer drive or standalone CD player.

Using Nero, in New Compilation / Audio CD be sure to check the "Write CD Text on CD" box.

In CDA Options / General Settings, choose "Tempfile strategy"

In Burn, select the Write Method "Disk-at-Once"

If you are copying a commercial CD release, use the FreeDB internet database to download title, track, and artist information.

If you are compiling miscellaneous tracks, left click on each track and hit Properties and enter the CD Text information for Title and Artist.

A CD Text capable player must be used to play the disks. Most computer CD players will not read CD Text. You can download a good freeware one at Digital CD Player for Windows. This player will also play digitally, i.e., no audio connector is necessary from the drive to the sound card.

[TCAS]

Inertia;

The Drag & Drop process I am using in InCD Envronment is just to write the audio files from H/D to CD-RW, then when I try to use copy disk process from Nero the song will be burnt exactly from CD-RW to CD-R with Title and artist name.

I will start burning with procedure you have adequately discribed and will post the result back here later.

Thank you Inertia

[Inertia]

TCAS,

I'm not sure that you are understanding me and I am still not clear on what you are trying to create, a CDR with MP3 files or a standard audio CDR.

I repeat, MP3 files are not audio files and they don't contain CD Text. InCD is a totally different program than Nero with an unrelated format.

The instructions that I gave you are to create an audio CD with CD Text. This type of recording does not contain MP3 files. MP3 files must be converted to an audio format before they can be recorded to an audio CD.

If all you want to do is just copy MP3 files to a CDR just like you did with the CD-RW, you can do that in Nero by using the CD-ROM (ISO) data mode. MP3 files are data files and are written to a data CDR, not audio.

[TCAS]

Inertia;

I digree with this point that files with mp3 format are not audio files, as matter of fact the song that can be played in Windows Media Player are mosly in mp3 format. As I said before, when I make a CD audio to be played in Windows Media Player using two step a) fomating CD-RW disk win InCd teh drag & dropping the these mp3 files from my drive and make a let say data files, b) then try to copy them from CD-RW to CD-R disk with Nero program, when they being played in Windows Media Player The song Tilte and & Artist name will be display inWMP.

Second I just used the process you described and still only sound track being displayed.

[cfitz]

I digree with this point that files with mp3 format are not audio files

What he is saying is they aren't CDA (CD audio) files - the native format on the traditional pressed CD you purchase at your local music retailer.

Naturally, mp3 files do contain data that represents audio waveforms, but they are not CDA files and can not be burned in their native state onto a CDA disc. They must first be converted. It is better to think of an mp3 file as just another computer data file that can be treated just like any other data file on your computer (e.g. Word files, Excel file, jpeg graphics files). An mp3 file is just a file that contains data, and you run a program (the mp3 player) to access that data.

In any of your burning activities relating to these files, do you ever select "Audio CD" or "Music-Audio CD" in Nero?

If you just want to copy mp3 files and leave them as mp3 files, then do not select "Audio CD". Instead select "CD-ROM (ISO)" or "Data Disc" It sounds like rather than doing this, when you "follow complete instruction from Nero " to make a CD-R disc that you are actually making a CDA disc - which doesn't contain the mp3 attributes.

How many minutes worth of songs (real playing time) can you fit on the CD-R disc? Can you describe in more detail what you mean by "follow complete instruction from Nero "?

cfitz

[cfitz]

TCAS, are these the procedures you are following (as quoted from the Nero help file):

* First, create a new audio compilation and drag the audio tracks you want into the compilation.

* From the File menu, select Compilation Info and on the 'Audio CD' tab check the 'Write CD-Text to the CD' checkbox.

* Enter the title of the CD and its artist. These entries should not be longer than 64 characters each.

* In the compilation window click an audio track and enter the track's title and artist on the tab.

* Before writing, make sure that the 'Disc-at-Once' mode is active.

* Now click the Burn button to write the Audio CD with CD-Text.

If so, you are creating a CDA disc. This is not the same as writing mp3 files as simple data files on a data disc - which is what you are doing when you drag and drop to the CD-RW with the InCD packet writing software.

Assuming you followed the above instructions correctly and that your burner does support burning of CD-Text, then you should be able to open up Nero, put the CDA CD-R that you created into the burner, and then select "Recorder->Medium Info" (or press the icon with the disc and the blue 'I') to open up the disc info dialog box. There you will see the CD-Text information you entered and that Nero burned to the disc - disc title and artist as well as the title and artist of each track. However, WMP won't display this data. You need a player that will show CD-Text to do that.

cfitz

[Inertia]

cfitz,

Thanks, maybe he will believe me now.

TCAS,

If you are still trying to create an audio CDR with CD Text, it is not at all certain that your burner has this capability. Copying MP3 files to a CD-RW and playing the files in a player that displays MP3 title and artist information has nothing to do with CD Text.

From the Nero menu go to Recorder | Choose Recorder and highlight your burner. In the bottom of the dialog box it will show CD Text: Supported if the record is CD Text capable.

What is the make and model of your burner?

[cfitz]

cfitz,

Thanks, maybe he will believe me now.

I don't think it so much a matter of believing as it is a matter of understanding. I was hoping maybe a different voice might present things in a manner that would allow TCAS to understand us or us to understand TCAS.

In general, I would recommend to everyone that they believe Inertia. He knows his stuff and can be relied on for thorough and accurate answers.

cfitz

[TCAS]

Inertian/Cfitz:

I hope you don't take it seriously that I have any doubt on you guys knowdge and understanding of these topics. As Matter of fact I awyas enjoy your discussion and conrtibution and some time hard work you guys do to bring a real technical issues but in general language to these forum.


It it healthly and useful to discussed technicality from different perspectives. Any how I sure appreciated your instruction and try to follow that also. As for my Writer it is Lite-On Model 52246S.

[Inertia]

Thanks for the kind words, cfitz.

Coming from you, that is indeed high praise.

I would absolutely say the same about you. I always enjoy reading your thorough and balanced explanations. Unfortunately, I don't usually learn much on the boards, but I have learned from you.

Your understanding of the issues, solid technical grounding and writing skill gives you a credibility that is rare on the CD-RW boards.

[Inertia]

TCAS,

Your writer is definitely capable of CD Text whenever you are ready to burn a non-MP3 audio CDR that will play in any CD player.

Of course in order to read the CD Text the player must support it.

[TCAS]

Inertia;

Thanks, I always enjoy you and Cfitz discussion and skil of trying to explore the new ideas and try to turn a simple, some time sofisticated matter concening this forum in to more meaningful and enjoyable chating.

Thanks again to both of you.

[cfitz]

Hey no problem, TCAS. I didn't think at all that you were being disrespectful to Inertia or me. As I said, we were/are just having some communications difficulty. Bear with us, and we can work it out... And also don't forget that I, at least, make mistakes and can learn from you also.

Since your burner does support CD-Text, I've got to ask: did you try popping the CD-R back into the drive, running Nero, opening the disc info dialog and seeing what it said? Did you, in fact, successfully burn a CD-Text CDA disc?

I did a little searching for a software media player that will display the text from a CD-Text CDA disc. All I could find was the media player included with B's Recorder Gold - but you have to pay for that package.

By the way, are you straight on how to burn mp3 files to CD-R and keep them as the original mp3 data files? Remember, the key is to not not burn an audio compilation, but rather burn a "Data Disc" or "CD-ROM (ISO)" disc (depending on which Nero interface you are using). If you do that, you should get the same behavior out of your CD-R discs as you do with your CD-RW discs.

cfitz

[Inertia]

cfitz,

Look at the link at the bottom of my first post. It's a very nifty CD Text capable player that also plays in digitall audio mode.

TCAS,

You're very welcome.

[cfitz]

cfitz,

Look at the link at the bottom of my first post. It's a very nifty CD Text capable player that also plays in digitall audio mode.

I'm up way too late...

I knew I had seen a recommendation for a CD-Text capable player somewhere recently, but couldn't locate it. Here it was right in front of me the whole time...

Thanks.

cfitz

<edit>Damn, this really is bad. I had actually already downloaded it, but not installed it, and forgot about it. This is really embarassing... Anyone know a good source for Ginko Biloba?

cfitz

[dodecahedron]

In general, I would recommend to everyone that they believe Inertia. He knows his stuff and can be relied on for thorough and accurate answers.

ditto!

I would absolutely say the same about you (about ctifz). I always enjoy reading your thorough and balanced explanations. Unfortunately, I don't usually learn much on the boards, but I have learned from you.

Your understanding of the issues, solid technical grounding and writing skill gives you a credibility that is rare on the CD-RW boards.

ditto here too!

[Inertia]

Damn, this really is bad. I had actually already downloaded it, but not installed it, and forgot about it. This is really embarassing... Anyone know a good source for Ginko Biloba?

I knew a good source, but I can't remember where it was???

[TCAS]

Cfitz/Inertia;

Although I am at work with tremendous work to do; but I just want to take a moment to express my sincere gratitude to both of you for this discussion, for you guys indepth, fruitful and the same time with polite mananer. I always enjoy and dellighted chating with guys and read your comment and technical argument on other subject with pleasure. I will be talking to folks when I get home from work.

TCAS

[TCAS]

Cfitz Wrote:

By the way, are you straight on how to burn mp3 files to CD-R and keep them as the original mp3 data files? Remember, the key is to not not burn an audio compilation, but rather burn a "Data Disc" or "CD-ROM (ISO)" disc (depending on which Nero interface you are using). If you do that, you should get the same behavior out of your CD-R discs as you do with
your CD-RW discs.


Yes that is the result so far I have been looking in to it, and in realityas you and also Inertia said, this is just creating "Data Disk" or CD-ROM (ISO) not a regular Audio CD. Obviously displaying the content of a Data CD is different with displaying an Audio CD with Title and Artist name.

May be creating an Audio CD with the Title and Artist name to be displayed requires special plug-in for Nero to be able to first Convert/Encode from one format to another format then extract the information from Data Audio and burn it in to Audio CD.