Media Compatibility With CD-RW Drives - Which Media Is Best?

[TheWizard]

Disk brand and Claimed speed: Possible Manufacturer: Real speed VS06: Real speed VS08: LTR 48126S as 52246S 6S02
Kodak Ultima 700Mb 16x: Kodak: 31x: 31x: 31x:

I see, so SmartBurn indicated a maximum burn speed of 31X. That makes sense.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the arse, Jovo, all I'm asking for is some simplicity. Put yourself in my shoes, I have to guess on all your results, and guessing isn't good in this instance. I won't put circumstantial evidence into the media compatability list.

[Jovo]

TheWizard
No! Smartburn indicated a burn max of 32x.

The 31x is the speed Nero reached in an actual burning test using a mixed data file of 700Mb. In this particular case at the end it reached around 31.4x and therefore I noted it as being capable of 31x - it never reached its 32x potential. I would not use this media at 32x to do an important backup but would generally opt a lower burn speed to be on the safe side.

The same applies to every media listed in my table.

[TheWizard]

Great, that just throws another wrench in the puzzle. Originally you said all the results were burned error free (or close to error free) at the speeds specified, and now you say you would not record important data at the speeds you listed. Why not? If the Sony discs burn flawlessly (no errors) at 32X, why not record important data at that speed?

Between the max. speeds that SmartBurn says, the speeds you burned the CD's at (in Nero), and the actual burn speeds rounded off it is really confusing which is which! Those statistics, in and of themselves, have me playing the guessing game as to what I should put on the list. I can't, in the right mind, provide guessed information on the list, I need hardcore evidence. That means a single burn speed that works successfully (zero errors) for each brand of media. None of this SmartBurn speed, Nero speed, actual speed trio; I need just one please, the Nero speed.

[Jovo]

I think you are confusing yourself wizard!

Once again, taking the Sony certified 32x as an example: Smartburn said the max was 32x. Nero on doing a test burn indicated it could only reach 31.4x before slowing down to a safe speed. Therefore in my book if you are burning valuable data you use a slower speed such as 24x. If it had reached 32x without a hiccup I would have listed that speed as being the recommended speed. You may not have noticed but the Smartburn utility only gives speeds in multiples of 4x or 8x and I realy cannot understand your need to confuse issues by erroneously linking a 31x speed to it.

Anyway, you have convinced me, I am removing my list from this forum. I did think that the forum was a vehicle for sharing information and experiences but regretably that appears not to be the case!

[cfitz]

Anyway, you have convinced me, I am removing my list from this forum. I did think that the forum was a vehicle for sharing information and experiences but regretably that appears not to be the case!

Jovo, please don't go away angry. We aren't saying that your testing method is inherently wrong, just that it isn't compatible with the methods used to generate all the other test data reported in this particular thread. In order to make all the test results in this list comparable, everything needs to be tested and reported using consistent methods.

If you don't have the time or inclination to test with the defined protocol, we understand and harbor no ill will. However, if you do want to resubmit your data using the defined protocol for testing and reporting, we would certainly welcome it. And even if you can't conform to the requirements of this thread, your efforts are still appreciated as presented in their own separate thread.

cfitz

[Jovo]

There are no hard feelings cfitz.

Unless all burns are done under strictly controlled situations everyone will come up with different answers. As a matter of interest I just redid the TDK gold 'all speed' burn which had previously indicated 2 errors towards the end in CDSpeed. This time it showed no errors and suprise suprise the original also showed up as being error free, despite the fact that I had clearly written on the disk that there were 2 yellow blocks. Surely Scandisc is a test to check readibility not writability and therefore dependant on the accuracy of your reader?

The original tests were done for my own information, but before discarding the information for the overclocked 40125W, using firmware vs06 and vs08, which I no longer use, I thought others could be intersted in the results which took me some time to collate. If nothing else it shows that the vs08 firmware has much better media compatibility.

Anyway enough said, I am out of here.

[cfitz]

Unless all burns are done under strictly controlled situations everyone will come up with different answers ... Surely Scandisc is a test to check readibility not writability and therefore dependant on the accuracy of your reader?

Both good points. Any test necessarily involves not only the writer but the reader. In earlier posts on this thread I made similar points regarding the limitations of the tests reported herein. ( starting with http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic. ... 4257#34257 ) Despite the fact that our collective tests do have certain limitations, I feel that we are making a reasonable effort under the circumstances and that the tests do have value.

I thought others could be intersted in the results which took me some time to collate. If nothing else it shows that the vs08 firmware has much better media compatibility.

They were and are of interest, and your contributions are appreciated. They just might not be suitable for inclusion with the other tests in the table itself.

Anyway enough said, I am out of here.

Okay, but please come around again sometime, at least to these forums in general.

cfitz

[PennyArcade]

no lite on 40125w with latest firmware on the chart?

I've been having incredibly bad luck with

Durabrand cmc's and Mitsumi Postechs

Which firmware version are you using?

actually, it is a 5w40 I flashed to 40125w. I had the same problems with both firmware, so I flashed it back to 5w40.

turned out that when I killed all unneccessary processes in the background, the Mistumi postechs were error free and Fuji TY's had less than 10 errors on it (wtf?! postech's better than ty's? "that's unpossible!!" ) I had to Durabrand cmc's left so couldn't test them out.

[TheWizard]

If you care to submit any results with the Mitsumi or Durabrand CD-R's, please do PennyArcade.

[BuddhaTB]

For those of you with Lite-On 52x24x52 drives, will you please test your media and post their compatibility. I have a friend who's mixed between a 48X and 52X drive and wants to see which media is currently burnable at 52X. Thank You All For Your Help!

[Spazmogen]

My drive arrives Wednesday, Nov 6th !

I'll edit this post shortly after that with the media I mentioned in my previous posts about my LG 16x10x40x drive.

[ETP]

Office Depot 48x seems to work fine in my 48125w. Just got 3 cases yesterday for $4 for each 50 spindle. Warehouse clearence that lasted one day plus I had a $10 coupon. Sorry! They are not as fast as the fugi 48x, but close and seem to be a quality product.

Anyone else have any experience with these?

[TheWizard]

Wow, they are clearing out 48X media already? Where have I been?! Anyway, thanks Earl.

By the way, according to the list, 24X and 32X Office Depot media performed terribly (or not at all) with the LTR-48125W. I ask, is the 48X Office Depot media still manufactured by CMC?

[ETP]

I'm not sure! I will check when I get home. When I looked at the media details (yesterday), the manufacturer section was blank after I recorded it. The 40xs at work are CMC, and they work fine in Sony and Liteon burners. I had some 12x that worked fine last year. I wonder if it is a test problem/or just the 24/32x ones. The 16x I used a year ago would not play in my car player, but would in every other machine. The fugi were the only ones that would work in my car cd player. I have since traded cars and my new car player plays the Office depot 48x fine.

[ETP]

CMC MAGNETICS (48x)/ 99 These disks are fine on liteons.

[TheWizard]

Thanks

[Kenji]

GCE-8400B owners,

Have a question to you. Which is the best value 40X media to use with GCE-8400B?

P.S.: I saw the chart post in this topic, and all medias reported a relative expensive here in Brazil.

[TheWizard]

Ah sim! Oi Kenji

Hmm, what brands are cheap in Brazil? To be honest, it's not always the brand that matters, but rather who manufactures the discs. I know there are several online stores in Brazil that sell unbranded media for cheap, chances are they are manufactured by CMC or a similar company. What does a large online store like Submarino sell?

[Kenji]

Fala TheWizard vc tb é brasileiro?

So... I've made an own research about low cost media compatibility with GCE-8400B and found this results:

Manufacturer : Multi Media Masters && Machinary
Code : 97m28s22f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.67
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 01
name: Osaka 32X (blue)
av. speed: 21,77 (Unstable-20X)
time: 4:09

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Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 02
name: Osaka (silver)
av. speed: 27,11 (Ustable-24X)
time: 3:21

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Manufacturer : Prodisc
Code : 97m32s19f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 03
name: SHU (green)
av. speed: 29.77 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:02

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Manufacturer : unknown
Code : 97m27s06f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 04
name: SHU (silver)
av. speed: 29,45 (Unstable)
time: 3:08

=================================================================

Manufacturer : Prodisc
Code : 97m32s19f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 05
name: Mr. Mo (silver)
av. speed: 29,77 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:06

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Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 06
name: Philips (green)
av. speed: 29,76 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:08

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Manufacturer : CMC Magnetics
Code : 97m26s66f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 6: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 07
name: Philips (gold)
av. speed: 15.94 (Unstable-20X)
time: 5:24

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Manufacturer : Plasmon
Code : 97m27s19f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 08
name: LC Platinun (silver)
av. speed: 29.71 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:07

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Manufacturer : Postech
Code : 97m26s11f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 1: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 09
name: PTK (blue)
av. speed: 29.75 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:08

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Manufacturer : Postech
Code : 97m26s15f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 5: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 10
name: HPO (silver)
av. speed: 29.76 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:10

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Manufacturer : unknown
Code : 97m15s57f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 11
name: LG (silver)
av. speed: 23.62 (Stable-24X)
time: 3:50

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Manufacturer : Multi Media Masters && Machinary
Code : 97m28s22f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 2: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 12
name: NET (silver)
av. speed: 28.18 (Unstable-32X)
time: 3:15

=================================================================

Manufacturer : unknown
Code : 97m16s07f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 13
name: Power Disc (silver)
av. speed: 23.62 (Stable-24X)
time: 3:47

=================================================================

Manufacturer : Plasmon
Code : 97m27s19f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 9: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.74
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

no.: 14
name: Plamon (silver)
av. speed: 29.71 (Stable-32X)
time: 3:08

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Where:

no. = Nero CD Speed simulation number
name = CDR name
av. speed = avarage simulation speed
time = simulation time

Stable-##X = means p-cav writing til X speed without variations
Unstable-##X = means unstable writing til final X speed

[Kenji]

damn, forgot to say that these results are for GCE-8400B 2 Mb buffer writer with new 1.04 firmware

sorry

[TheWizard]

Não, eu sou americano, mas eu sei muito sobre o Brasil (é o campeão do mundo!)

Just to verify, when you wrote something as Unstable I assume that means that it had errors in ScanDisc? Let's say a disc is unstable at 24X, what speed is it stable and error free at? 16X? 12X? Also, do you have the original rated speed for any of the discs you listed? If it doesn't say on the actual disc then it might say on the spindle or box that the disc came in.

[Kenji]

"Unstable" means that CDR recording speed varied after reaching maximum speed. For example: started at 20X, reach a maximum of 32X and in the end dropped to 24X. (in other words, speed graphs were different from regular p-cav writing graph)

About original speeds, don't have most of them.

No Scandisc test were made.[/img]

[TheWizard]

Unfortunately, according to the criteria for this media compatability list, it requires that ScanDisc tests be made to verify that the burned data is error free. If you want to send me results as such, please feel free.

[Kenji]

Sorry, don't know much about CDR test, it was my first CDR test.

[TheWizard]

Tudo bem

I appreciate your effort, all you need to do is add a bit more info in order for me to add it to the media compatability list. Here, follow the instructions in this link...

http://www.cdrlabs.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=5680