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Postby Predjo on Sun Mar 05, 2006 2:50 pm

which one of this 2 dvds wil have longer life

philips
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID CMC MAG F01
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

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dynex
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR03
Media Product Revision Number 04h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 16.0x 22160KBp
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:34 pm

Hrm... tough call....

Either a 4x CMC made DVD+R, which is back when the CMC media still wasn't performing very well.... or a Ritek disc from a B Grade brand (and Ritek A Grade doesn't last very long!).

I don't think I can answer this one, as I expect both discs to die within 2 years tops, depending on the initial burn quality, which depends heavily on what drive is being used as well.
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Postby Predjo on Sun Mar 05, 2006 6:35 pm

plaxtor 740
nec 3500
nec 3550
which one is the best for that media
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:01 pm

Hrm... my suggestion would be to use the Plextor 740 and convert it to a BenQ DW1640. Probably the CMC 4x DVD+Rs in that case.

Still... when being offered two crap choices, it's a hard call.

Any other opinions?
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Postby [buck] on Sun Mar 05, 2006 7:53 pm

I'm thinking the Dynex might be okay in this case. Of the results i've seen, Dynex branded RICOHJPNR03 has performed quite nicely. It could be that Dynex somehow ended up with a good lot of them.

But yes, it's hard to choose between crap.
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Postby hoxlund on Sun Mar 05, 2006 11:45 pm

dynex is crap, crap that I have to try to sell
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Postby Scour on Mon Mar 06, 2006 7:49 am

Hello!

I´m not sure about the F01, but the Ricoh R03 was very bad in the stability-tests of c´t-magazine.

I agree with Dolph that the Plex 740 should be the best for both media, but I recommend to look for other media, like Verbatim and TY.


@Dolph

So you guess the 4x +R-CMC is not very stable? The -R 4x was the first DVD-media I used, still working fine after 2 years; and after all I saw, that is much longer than with a few kinds of Ritek-media.
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:06 am

Scour wrote:@Dolph

So you guess the 4x +R-CMC is not very stable? The -R 4x was the first DVD-media I used, still working fine after 2 years; and after all I saw, that is much longer than with a few kinds of Ritek-media.


I had pretty bad quality results with my CMC 4x DVD±Rs back when I first started with them. As I haven't had any for quite some time, I have no idea how they'll work on newer drives, so I'm partially basing my opinion on the performance of CMC's 8x media, including stability tests.
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Postby Scour on Mon Mar 06, 2006 11:14 am

dolphinius_rex wrote:....so I'm partially basing my opinion on the performance of CMC's 8x media, including stability tests.


The CMC 8x do very well in the stability-tests of c´t
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Postby [buck] on Mon Mar 06, 2006 12:44 pm

Scour wrote:
dolphinius_rex wrote:....so I'm partially basing my opinion on the performance of CMC's 8x media, including stability tests.


The CMC 8x do very well in the stability-tests of c´t


Yes, that's true. CMCMAGE01 and CMCMAGAE1 both got a "++" rating for climatic stability. :D
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Postby Predjo on Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:20 pm

thanks
in this case if i understand right philips is beter choice
I usually use fuji ty but i got 10 philips with hard dvd case for 2,99$ and only caseses cost something like that.

But how good is fuji
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID RICOHJPNR01
Media Product Revision Number 02h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1
is this one better than dynex or is same shxxx

and how good is verbatim made in taiwan
Region information N/A not a DVD-VIDEO
Media code/Manufacturer ID MCC 003
Media Product Revision Number 00h
Format Capacity Blank Disc
Free Blocks 405405696
Free Capacity 4.38GB(4.70GB)
Book Type DVD+R
Media Type DVD+R
Manufacturer Rated Speed 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 8.0x 11080KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 6.0x 8310KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 4.0x 5540KBps
Available Write Descriptor CLV 2.4x 3324KBps
Linear Density Blank Disc
Track Density Unknown
Number of Layers 1

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Postby Predjo on Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:27 pm

And one more questione :
is so big diference if i use Plextor 740 with BenQ DW1640 firmware ?
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Postby Scour on Tue Mar 07, 2006 2:37 pm

Hello!

Ricoh R01 and MCC003 are both very good media :)
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Postby [buck] on Tue Mar 07, 2006 5:44 pm

Scour wrote:Hello!

Ricoh R01 and MCC003 are both very good media :)


Yep, it's hard to go wrong with either of those! :D
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Tue Mar 07, 2006 8:16 pm

[buck] wrote:
Scour wrote:Hello!

Ricoh R01 and MCC003 are both very good media :)


Yep, it's hard to go wrong with either of those! :D


Although I happen to *KNOW* that you [buck] have some EXCELLENT examples of why you shouldn't use RICOHJPNR01.... :o Something about significant burn quality degridation within 6-7 months I believe :-?
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Postby [buck] on Tue Mar 07, 2006 11:07 pm

dolphinius_rex wrote:
[buck] wrote:
Scour wrote:Hello!

Ricoh R01 and MCC003 are both very good media :)


Yep, it's hard to go wrong with either of those! :D


Although I happen to *KNOW* that you [buck] have some EXCELLENT examples of why you shouldn't use RICOHJPNR01.... :o Something about significant burn quality degridation within 6-7 months I believe :-?


OK, fine, I should say that is it *usually* hard to go wrong with (grade A) Ricoh. In case you guys are wondering, here is one of my dead RICOHJPNR01.

Original scan #1
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Scan as of yesterday (7 months later)
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And the accompanying TRT
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It appear that all the defectives discs come from the same 5-pk of Sony RICOHJPNR01, and I have plenty of other Ricohs which are holding up marvelously.

This is why nothing important should be stored on only one media type... [-X
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Postby Justin42 on Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:23 am

[buck] wrote:This is why nothing important should be stored on only one media type... [-X


There are going to be a lot of people with a lot of rude awakenings in the next 5-10 years when they realise much of the DVD-recordable propoganda was sheer lies......

Convert from crappy VHS to eternal DVD! Never worry about degradation again! :^o (cause instead of starting to slowly look crappy you won't even be able to read the disc at all!)
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Mar 08, 2006 11:14 am

Justin42 wrote:
[buck] wrote:This is why nothing important should be stored on only one media type... [-X


There are going to be a lot of people with a lot of rude awakenings in the next 5-10 years when they realise much of the DVD-recordable propoganda was sheer lies......

Convert from crappy VHS to eternal DVD! Never worry about degradation again! :^o (cause instead of starting to slowly look crappy you won't even be able to read the disc at all!)


5-10 years? I'd say 5-10 months!! :o Even Ritek media from reviews I did 6 months ago are starting to show signs of ageing.... although my Optodisc and TY media are not :D
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