PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 & CD-R overburning bug with Nero

[Bender]

Hello.
Maybe Your Companay can help me with overburn problem? I can't write overburn cd-r with PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108. Maybe You can say where is problem .
I wanna write 724MB-780MB into 800MB cd-r.
Windows XP Pro SP2

Windows XP 5.1
IA32
WinAspi: File 'Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=45056 bytes, created 1999.09.10 14:06:00
ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\ahead\Nero\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.68, size=160016 bytes, created 2004.07.22 17:33:44
Nero version: 6.3.1.25
Recorder: <PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108> Version: 1.18 - HA 0 TA 1 - 6.3.1.25
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 0
Drive buffer : 2000kB
Bus Type : default (0) -> ATAPI, detected: ATAPI
CD-ROM: <LITEON CD-ROM LTN526D >Version: YSR5 - HA 1 TA 0 - 6.3.1.25
Adapter driver: <atapi> HA 1

=== Scsi-Device-Map ===
DiskPeripheral : SAMSUNG SV0221H atapi Port 0 ID 0 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 atapi Port 0 ID 1 DMA: On
CdRomPeripheral : LITEON CD-ROM LTN526D atapi Port 1 ID 0 DMA: Off

=== CDRom-Device-Map ===
PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 E: CDRom0
LITEON CD-ROM LTN526D F: CDRom1
=======================

AutoRun : 1
Excluded drive IDs:
WriteBufferSize: 39845888 (0) Byte
ShowDrvBufStat : 0
BUFE : 0
Physical memory : 247MB (253424kB)
Free physical memory: 46MB (48112kB)
Memory in use : 81 %
Uncached PFiles: 0x0
Use Static Write Speed Table: 0
Use Inquiry : 1
Global Bus Type: default (0)
Check supported media : Disabled (0)

23.4.2005
CD-ROM (ISO)
17:57:55 #1 Text 0 File Isodoc.cpp, Line 6083
Iso document burn settings
------------------------------------------
Determine maximum speed : FALSE
Simulate : FALSE
Write : TRUE
Finalize CD : TRUE
Multisession : FALSE
Burning mode : DAO
Mode : 1
ISO Level : 2 (Max. of 31 chars)
Character set : ISO 9660
Joliet : TRUE
Allow pathdepth more than 8 directories : TRUE
Allow more than 255 characters in path : TRUE
Write ISO9660 ;1 file extensions : TRUE

17:57:55 #2 Phase 90 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Buffer Underrun Protection activated

17:57:55 #3 Text 0 File Reader.cpp, Line 126
Reader running

17:57:55 #4 Text 0 File Writer.cpp, Line 124
Writer PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 running

17:57:55 #5 ISO9660GEN -11 File geniso.cpp, Line 3899
First writeable address = 0 (0x00000000)

17:57:55 #6 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 3152
Turn on Disc-at-once, using CD-R/RW media

17:57:58 #7 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 247
Last possible write address on media: 445499 ( 99:01.74), real: 79:59.73
Last address to be written: 399846 ( 88:53.21)

17:57:58 #8 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 259
Write in overburning mode: YES (enabled: CD)

17:57:58 #9 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 2162
Recorder: PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108;
CDR code: 00 96 43 29; CD manufacturer unknown
ATIP Data:
Special Info [hex] 1: C0 00 90, 2: 60 2B 1D (LI 96:43.29), 3: 4F 3B 4A (LO 79:59.74)
Additional Info [hex] 1: FF FF FF (invalid), 2: FF FF FF (invalid), 3: FF FF FF (invalid)

17:57:58 #10 Text 0 File DlgWaitCD.cpp, Line 420
>>> Protocol of DlgWaitCD activities: <<<
=========================================
Not enough free discspace.
(Medium in drive: Unknown. Medium required by compilation: CD-R/RW.)

17:57:58 #11 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 813
Setup items (after recorder preparation)
0: TRM_DATA_MODE1 (CTransferItem)
2 indices, index0 (150) not provided
original disc pos #0 + 399847 (399847) = #399847/88:51.22
relocatable, disc pos for caching/writing not required/required, no patch infos
-> TRM_ULTRARAW96_MODE1, 2448, config 0x4, wanted index0 0 blocks, length 399847 blocks [PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 ]
--------------------------------------------------------------

17:57:58 #12 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 984
Prepare recorder [PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 ] for write in raw writing
DAO infos:
==========
MCN: ""
TOCType: 0x00; Session Closed, disc fixated
Tracks 1 to 1:
1: TRM_ULTRARAW96_MODE1, 2448/0x04, FilePos 0 367200 979192656, ISRC ""
DAO layout:
===========
__Start_|____Track_|_Idx_|_RecDep_|_CtrlAdr_
-150 | lead-in | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
-150 | 1 | 0 | 0x00 | 0x41
0 | 1 | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41
399847 | lead-out | 1 | 0x00 | 0x41

17:57:58 #13 Phase 24 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Caching of files started

17:57:58 #14 Text 0 File Burncd.cpp, Line 4163
Cache writing successful.

17:57:58 #15 Phase 25 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Caching of files completed

17:57:58 #16 Phase 36 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process started at 4x (600 KB/s)

17:57:58 #17 Text 0 File ThreadedTransferInterface.cpp, Line 2344
Verifying disc position of item 0 (relocatable, disc pos, no patch infos, orig at #0): write at #0

17:57:58 #18 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 16040
StartDAO : CD-Text - Off

17:57:58 #19 Text 0 File Mmc.cpp, Line 20660
Set BUFE: supported -> ON

17:58:00 #20 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:58:00.284 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108\H0 T1 : Queue again later

17:58:09 #21 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:58:09.507 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108\H0 T1 : Queue again later

17:58:09 #22 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:58:09.597 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108\H0 T1 : Queue again later

17:58:09 #23 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:58:09.687 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108\H0 T1 : Queue again later

17:58:09 #24 Text 0 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1297
17:58:09.747 - PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108\H0 T1 : Queue again later

18:19:20 #25 SCSI -1064 File Cdrdrv.cpp, Line 1445
SCSI Exec, HA 0, TA 1, LUN 0, buffer 0x03AA0000
Status: 0x04 (0x01, SCSI_ERR)
HA-Status 0x00 (0x00, OK)
TA-Status 0x02 (0x01, SCSI_TASTATUS_CHKCOND)
Sense Key: 0x05 (KEY_ILLEGAL_REQUEST)
Sense Code: 0x21
Sense Qual: 0x02
CDB Data: 0x2A 0x00 0x00 0x05 0x98 0x8A 0x00 0x00 0x1A 0x00 0x00 0x00
Sense Data: 0x70 0x00 0x05 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x0E
0x00 0x00 0x00 0x00 0x21 0x02

18:19:20 #26 CDR -1064 File Writer.cpp, Line 304
Invalid block address

18:19:20 #27 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 229
all writers idle, stopping conversion

18:19:20 #28 Text 0 File ThreadedTransfer.cpp, Line 223
conversion idle, stopping reader

18:19:34 #29 Text 0 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1713
Set remaining time: 0:00,000 (0ms) -> OK

18:19:35 #30 Phase 38 File dlgbrnst.cpp, Line 1855
Burn process failed at 4x (600 KB/s)


Existing drivers:
File 'Drivers\ASPI32.SYS': Ver=4.60 (1021), size=25244 bytes, created 1999.09.10 14:06:00
File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=2.02.62a, size=20016 bytes, created 2003.10.28 12:02:00 (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
File 'Drivers\atapi.sys': Ver=5.1.2600.2180 (xpsp_sp2_rtm.040803-2158), size=95360 bytes, created 2004.08.04 07:59:42 (Adapter driver for rec)

Registry Keys:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)

[Bender]

Now I undate Nero Burning ROM to version 6.6.0.12.
Update ASPI drivers, update PIONEER DVD-RW DVR-108 firmvare to 1.20 version, but nothin don't help. I reinstall Windows too. It's don't help too.

[Bender]

Tested CD-R for overburning function

Acme CD-R 90min/800MB 32x www.acmecdr.lt
Manufacturer : unknown
Code : 97m27s00f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 0: Long Strategy (Cyanine, AZO)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.73
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

Digidata CD-R 90min/80MB 48x
Manufacturer : Fornet International
Code : 97m26s07f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.71
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

eProformance CD-R 90min/80MB 24x
Manufacturer : Fornet International
Code : 97m26s07f
Disc Type : CD-R
Usage : General
Recording Layer : Dye Type 7: Short Strategy (Phthalocyanine)
Recording Speed : n/a
Capacity : 79:59.71
703 MB
Additional Capacity : n/a
Overburn Capacity : not tested

[Ian]

Adjust your maximum CD size and make sure that you are using DAO

[Bender]

Adjust your maximum CD size and make sure that you are using DAO

I try write overburn cd-r, when I adjust max. CD side (look picture). try with 85, 90, 99 values. Disk writing using DAO. But that don't help.

[RJW]

There's something weird with the Pioneers and I haven't had any time to do more research on it.
My experience and others seems to indicate that the OEM models have problems with overburning. Now it might be coinfidence that just some setting s are screwed up.
One way however I could write 90 minutes with my Pioneer 106D.
That's usseing TDK's real 90 minutes cd-r's. (RARE !! But my local stores stock them again.(Allways a periodically item. ) These disc's are recognized by most drives as 90 minutes so technically they aren't overburning still it will solve the problem. Seeing also that this media is of better quality as most 90 minutes stuff I don't find it a really big problem becasue I don't use any other 90 minutes disc any more because of quality and compatability issues.
Then again I don't use much 90 minutes disc's.
Still have some different pieces arround so I could do some research on the subject if I needed.

[Bender]

There's something weird with the Pioneers and I haven't had any time to do more research on it.
My experience and others seems to indicate that the OEM models have problems with overburning. Now it might be coinfidence that just some setting s are screwed up.
One way however I could write 90 minutes with my Pioneer 106D.
That's usseing TDK's real 90 minutes cd-r's. (RARE !! But my local stores stock them again.(Allways a periodically item. ) These disc's are recognized by most drives as 90 minutes so technically they aren't overburning still it will solve the problem. Seeing also that this media is of better quality as most 90 minutes stuff I don't find it a really big problem becasue I don't use any other 90 minutes disc any more because of quality and compatability issues.
Then again I don't use much 90 minutes disc's.
Still have some different pieces arround so I could do some research on the subject if I needed.

So what I have or can do?
When I have Lite-On CD-RW LTR-32123S - I don't have problem with overburning cd-r to 99min. I don't know that can I do now. Maybe sale that Pioneer. But then is question: what dvd-rw buy...