AWB is dead.

[JamieW]

Good morning to me!

[pranav81]

Whats that???


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[pranav81]

Oh okay................Good morning JamieW.



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[Ian]

Whats that???


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Assault Weapons Ban

You're going to see a lot of happy gun afficianados today. They better hurry up and buy their guns though. I can't imagine the anti-terrorist people are gonna let this one slide for long... not that terrorists can't buy these things illegally anyway.

[dodecahedron]

i was thinking Auto White Balance

[Spazmogen]

Ahhh.. Yes.

The American "Right to bear arms".

Who the hell needs a full automatic for home defense?

I should think a shotgun in the close quarters combat of a home should be sufficient. Mixed bag of SSG & slugs would be quite brutal indoors.

I've fired an H&K MP5 on auto. Hit the target, but there's a hard pull up and to the right. A shot gun with SSG's would have been easier. 1 shot.

[Ian]

i was thinking Auto White Balance

Annoying White Beeyatches?

[JamieW]

Spaz,

Contrary to public misconception, the AWB has NOTHING to do with full-auto. Literally no restrictions on full auto come from the AWB. Not a single one. Besides, if it is good enough for law enforcement assaulting a building, why is it not good enough for a home owner to defend his building?

Full auto was regulated under the 1934 NFA first, then the 1968 GCA, and again by executive order in I think 86 (banning manufacture and import for civvy use).

What the AWB did:

- Banned specific manufacture of specific guns.
- On rifles with pistol grips, banned collapsible stocks, bayonet lugs, and flash suppressors. (Flash suppressors are not so you are not seen, they direct the same amount of flash to the side so as not to blind shooters in low light conditions).
- On shotguns, may only have 2 of 5 features: Pistol grip, folding/collapsible stock, capacity over 5 rounds, semi-auto, bayonet lug.
- Banned manufacture and import of magazines over 10 rounds for civilian use.

Besides, what part of "shall not infringe" is unclear? Even US vs Miller found that the 2A applies most specifically to weapons with military purpose. And the overwhelming majority (almost all) Supreme Court findings ruled that 2A is an individual right, just like every other right in the Bill of Rights.

It is a rare day that people get rights back.

[LoneWolf]

While I'm not a fan of assault weapons, the law was useless. There were tons of loopholes. For example, while the law banned magazines of over 10 rounds, plus certain types of weapons, it did not ban weapons or magazines manufactured prior to the date the law was passed. Thousands of these were on the market and remained fully legal. In fact, Glock and other manufacturers offered to even trade new models of weapons to police departments for their old, grandfathered in weapons, straight up, because the 10+ shot clips were so valuable. The law didn't stop criminals from getting assault weapons, only homeowners (not that I think most homeowners having an AK-47 is a good thing).

I think a better solution is requiring everyone who wishes to purchase a weapon in that category (this also goes for CCW or handgun permits) to have complete a course (and retake it every x number of years) that teaches them how to use said weapon safely without shooting their neighbor, their foot, etc. as well as best practices for securing the weapons in their own home so they won't be used against them, or found and discharged by their children.

Just my .02

[ClayBuster]

Even though it's dead they will keep trying.

[LoneWolf]

I guess my question would be, whether or not the law is good or bad, why would anyone need a weapon that was banned by this law? I have nothing against owning a thirty-ought-six for hunting deer, or a shotgun for duck, or whatever. I can see legal reasons for owning a handgun, though once again, I think we need laws requiring someone to be trained in proper use and safety in order to get one and keep it.

But why would you need an AK-47, or a TEC-9? I just can't see the point.

[JamieW]

That's actually a lengthy discussion that I'm not really willing to get into yet again today. I would recommend some reading, particularly things on the Federalist Papers, to understand the intent of the 2A. But one should never infringe upon a right simply because some feel there is "no need for it." Why would you need an 30.06? Why would you need a shotgun? The 2A isn't about hunting and if you are going to try to justify a partial second ammendment stance based on need then contrive a position which isn't justified by your invalidation of other points, then you have no tenable position at all.

[Spazmogen]

The AWB has a similar law up here in Canada.

This link is an easier read. It's a tad over budget

Most of those weapons were PROHIBITED years ago. Only a scant few collectors are able to own them. When they die, the weapons will be destroyed. The high capacity magazines are also illegal for civillians. Police & Military are exempt of course.

Hand guns: very rare. Even for a collector.
Long guns: nearly every hunter & farmer has them. We still have some bow hunters (and black powder) up here.

Canada has no "right to bear arms" at all. If you buy a shot gun or long gun for hunting, you must register it with the federal government. Even before you buy the weapon you must have criminal records checks & a proper permit. You require the permit to buy most types of ammunition up here too. There are serious storage laws for both ammo & weapon.

Get into a domestic with your spouse & police arrive. They take your guns & ammo. Good luck getting them back in a timely fashion.

That's probably why our hospitals get so few gun shot wounds...when the next domestic occurrs, they have no guns.

But just like everywhere else, these laws will not stop the criminal element from having a gun. Gun owners have a lot of B&E's where their whole collection is taken.

Up here: its just not worth it. IMO.

[wicked1]

glock mailed out my 6 15 rd magazines for my glock 20 sept 14 I preordered them months ago. I can now build my amd-65 ak just registering it as a Short barreled rifle.

[bill]

I've been out of the loop for a couple of years. Are the hicap mags still ridiculously priced or have they fallen recently?

[kevincott]

hicap mags will plummet in price since many more will flood the maRKET.

Expect another type of Brady Bill to pass after the election.

[ruderacer]

I just got back from a gun show where I picked-up my new Rock River AR-15 I orderd last month with two 20 and two 30 round mags. The 30's and 20's went for 12 bucks each. The AR is preban, and now it really doesn't matter since the ban is over. As far as prices went all post ban AR's were going cheap. The preban AR's were up in price since production has been slow and some of the dealers are jacking up the prices. My AR comes with a nice trigger job, about a 4 lb trigger pull, and all the goodies before the ban expired. I also got a 6 position stock. I'm going back next month to pick-up a 45 cal version of the 223.

[bill]

Thanks guys. In two weeks there is a 640 table show in Richmond. If C&E isn't beating the dealers up with the table price there should be some decent deals with all the competition. I'll go by and see how the prices are on the mags and a 16" carbines. I have a 20" flat top hbar now but I miss the old preban carbine that I sold years ago. I would like to find something (light w/iron sights) that will hold the 68 grain rounds to about 2" at a 100 yds..

Ruderacer, I never heard of Rock River... do they manufacture parts or just assemble?
Thank you

[ruderacer]

BigMonkey, they manufacture the entire thing. If I'm not mistaken, the company is made up of two brothers who design and manufacture the rifle. I think they were the designers for Olympic Arms and something happened where they went on their own, ie. Rock River. They also manufacture .45 ACP pistols. Good Luck!

Here is their address: www.rockriverarms.com
phone: 309-792-5780
1042 Cleveland Road
Colona, IL 612441

[CowboySlim]

From LoneWolf:

But why would you need an AK-47, or a TEC-9? I just can't see the point.

For the same reason that a woman wants a 4 carat diamond ring and her boyfriend needs tatoos all over his body.

Slim

[kevincott]

Good point CowboySlim!

[bill]

From LoneWolf:

But why would you need an AK-47, or a TEC-9? I just can't see the point.

For the same reason that a woman wants a 4 carat diamond ring and her boyfriend needs tatoos all over his body.

Slim

ROFLMAO!

[wicked1]

you can hunt deer just fine with an ak-47. I drill pop cans at 100 yds+ at the range iron sights. I even got a little gun crazy a few weeks ago and went squirrel hunting with my egyptian maadi ak. I have about 20 squirrel in the freezer still from last year that I figured it would be fun to try for head shots with an ak. Boy was it I actually recovered 4 of the 6 squirrels I shot and kept them. The other two were obliterated but hey the dogs ate em. Got bit by a brown recluse spider that day too and ended up in the hospital but thats another thread.