Anyone folding? If not, why not!?!

[TheCDBurner]

Get it here:
http://www.stanford.edu/group/pandegroup/folding/

No, it doesn't slow you system down (never used SETI@Home because it sucked up the ol cpu cycles).

Come on, download it, install it, put in a user name, and just go ahead and set "team" to xxxx (deleted, since this forum sucks a$$ and I don't want a stupid "forum war").

[Boba_Fett]

I think folding for the most part is a nice waste of electricity. Folding protiens may or may not be of any use to anyone, but it makes a hell of a lot more sense than attempting to phone ET with SETI@home. Seriously, anyone who thinks they are helping find extra terestrial life with their PC is probably retarded

[CowboySlim]

That's right, Boba. The SETI program is an excercise in utter futility.

I was abducted several years ago south of Roswell. On the way up to Area 51, where I was dropped of after having the chip implanted at the base of my skull, they told me that when they detected the start-up in the SETI program, they just put all their communications into an undetectable stealth mode.

Slim

[Ian]

If they can't find Osama, they're not gonna find ET.

[Boba_Fett]

That's right, Boba. The SETI program is an excercise in utter futility.

I was abducted several years ago south of Roswell. On the way up to Area 51, where I was dropped of after having the chip implanted at the base of my skull, they told me that when they detected the start-up in the SETI program, they just put all their communications into an undetectable stealth mode.

Slim

ROFLMAO!

[CowboySlim]

If they can't find Osama, they're not gonna find ET.

That's right, and add to that the Jimmy Hoffa corpse and D B Cooper.

[Shredder]

If they can't find Osama, they're not gonna find ET.

Now there's a better use! Make it find Bin Laden!

[pranav81]

If they can't find Osama, they're not gonna find ET.

That's right, and add to that the Jimmy Hoffa corpse and D B Cooper.

I agree with both of you.



::Pranav::

[JamieW]

I think they should use all this computing power to keep an up to date alphabetical list of every porn site on the internet.

Ian, when are you going to unveil your project? The one which creates a sentient and accurate AI along with 3D rendering of Boy George a la Max Headroom so that you may always talk to him?

[TheCDBurner]

I think folding for the most part is a nice waste of electricity. Folding protiens may or may not be of any use to anyone...

Let me guess...this is one of those "if I don't understand it it must be stupid" things? WTF?

People like this remind me of why I stopped visiting this forum awhile ago (yeah, this is account #2 for me...you old timers may remember me).

Well, I sure won't make THAT mistake again.

CDRLabs e-mail has been added to my e-mails kill filter. There are so many nice forums around....this ain't one of them.

TheCDBurner aka glock20rocks

[Ian]

I think folding for the most part is a nice waste of electricity. Folding protiens may or may not be of any use to anyone...

Let me guess...this is one of those "if I don't understand it it must be stupid" things? WTF?

Sheesh.. It was the guys opinion. It's not like he said "people that fold are stinky nerds."

[JamieW]

I concur. The Glock 20 does rock. Really been hankering for one.

[cfitz]

Never mind. You can't be nice to some people...

cfitz

edited to remove friendly greeting, since it doesn't appear to be wanted

[cfitz]

I concur. The Glock 20 does rock. Really been hankering for one.

If I recall correctly, glock20rocks had a falling out with Glock and no longer thinks they rock.

Do you believe the Glock 20 kaboom concerns are warranted?

cfitz

[Boba_Fett]

Let me guess...this is one of those "if I don't understand it it must be stupid" things? WTF?

People like this remind me of why I stopped visiting this forum awhile ago (yeah, this is account #2 for me...you old timers may remember me).

Well, I sure won't make THAT mistake again.

CDRLabs e-mail has been added to my e-mails kill filter. There are so many nice forums around....this ain't one of them.

TheCDBurner aka glock20rocks

Huh? Why would you take offense to that? You asked if we folded, and if so, what do we fold. I gave my answer and 2 cents. No need to dismiss the entire forum There's nothing but class here, with the exception of a few interesting/lopsided political threads

[cfitz]

Come on, download it, install it, put in a user name, and just go ahead and set "team" to xxxx (deleted, since this forum sucks a$$ and I don't want a stupid "forum war").

Ah, geez... I didn't see you had gone and written that when I made my friendly reply early. Never mind.

Grow up, Glock20Rocks/TheCDBurner.

cfitz

[JamieW]

I don't think rumors of the Glock 20 kabooming are valid at all. Glock kabooms typically happen in Glock frames originally designed for a 9mm but have been adapted for use as a .40. The .40 is a higher pressure round than the 9mm. These Glocks would be the Glock 22 (a .40 on the 9mm Glock 17 platform) and Glock 23 (a .40 on the 9mm Glock 19 platform) and possibly a Glock 27 (a .40 on the Glock 26 platform). The Glock 20 was designed for 10mm, it is a different gun than the Glock 17 even though it is dimensionally similar. The Glock 20 is also reputed to be the most durable platform for withstanding the repeated abuse a full house 10mm load can bring on to a handgun. Much better at enduring the abuse than the 1911 platform varieties such as the Colt Delta Elite and much much more durable than the original Bren 10s. So, in short, no, I don't think the Glock 20 rumors of kaboom are warranted or worth worrying about even the least bit. It is the most durable 10mm semi-auto platform there is, imo.

[cfitz]

You're right. I'm sorry. I got the model numbers confused. I was thinking of the .40 S&W Glock 22 and 23 models. Glock 20, 22, 23 - they are all in the 20s...

I have seen people complaining that the design of the 22 and 23 models leaves a bit of the cartridge's base unsupported, increasing the chances of kabooms if something else goes wrong.

I've never seen complaints about the Glock 20 other than by people who hate Glocks in general, and these complaints didn't seem to have any solid reasoning behind them.

cfitz

[Boba_Fett]

Good Lord! That is one fine knowledge of firearms right there. I think the next time I am in need of a "trespassers' last warning", I'll shoot JamieW a PM

[cfitz]

Good Lord! That is one fine knowledge of firearms right there. I think the next time I am in need of a "trespassers' last warning", I'll shoot JamieW a PM

Yup. He's your man. That's why I asked him.

cfitz

[JamieW]

Thank you, Boba.

Cfitz,

The partially unsupported chamber is part of the problem. When the primer ignites the powder, the case expands, pressure builds, bullet releases. Not a problem in 9mm and .45 where the pressure to release is significantly lower than the pressure it takes to blow the brass. However in a high pressure round like .40 (and possibly the .357 sig since it is a .40 necked down to 9mm, but I've heard no news of kabooms in these), when the chamber isn't fully supported, the brass can blow before the bullet releases since it isn't entirely constrained by the chamber. This most often happens in reloaded ammo where people use brass several times. The brass gets worked and weakens over time which is probably why the Glock manual says if you use reloads, you void your warranty. The 10mm is a slightly different beast in that it is based on magnum specs and has thicker brass walls that are more resistant to blowing.

Keep in mind how the .40 came about. Back in the 80s there was a huge ammo type/capacity hype. Drugs were becoming more of a problem, many police agencies were still using revolvers, and there were a few highly publicized shootouts. A couple situations in which drug rich thugs had better weaponry than the cops they were shooting it out with lead to headlines of "POLICE OUTGUNNED!!!!" Then there was a shootout in Miami between the FBI and some drug rich thugs. FBI was outgunned and several agents went down. This was also around when the Black Dragon entered the U.S. market with their huge capacities and Glock was getting their pistols into every law enforcement agency's hands by offering them at really undercut prices. Begin the era of the wondernine. The FBI needed a round to combat the wondernine epidemic (enter media if it bleeds it leads). After testing and selection, the 10mm was decided upon. But the FBI number crunchers and accountants were not really able to handle the recoil. So a lighter 10mm load was developed and specs and order sent in to Smith & Wesson. S&W gets together with Winchester and figure that they can get the same end results of velocity and bullet weight with a shorter round which can also *TADA* fit in the current crop of 9mm platforms. The bullet is shorter, it is higher pressure, it is approximately 10mm in diameter but the 10mm designation is taken. What could we call a new shorter 10mm...well, it measures about .40 inches. And thus the .40 S&W (Smith & Wesson, also known as the .40 Short & Weak) is born. It is just a shortened, lighter brass, non-magnum spec 10mm.

And everyone jumps on board. H&K develops the USP around the .40, Steyr makes a new .40, but many other companies rechamber their 9mms to .40s. Glock, Sig, Smith & Wesson, Beretta, and so on. The .40 is the magic sword!!! High kinetic energy, velocity, bullet weight, and capacity! But to make it feed in a 9mm platform some companies have to force that feed ramp into places feed ramps weren't meant to go, and case chambers are slightly unsupported as a result.

What gets forgotten is that the .40 sucks to shoot. It is a snappy little bastard because of that high pressure. It is very popular with agencies who only shoot a few times a year to qualify, but not as proportionally popular with regular shooters. And because the bullet is a straight walled design, it is more prone to feeding failure than the slimmer more needle shaped 9mm or the rounder bulbous .45 acp. You probably won't catch me with another .40 in my collection. I won't say never, but most likely not. It is a good round looking at the numbers, but for me it is neither fish nor foul. I'd rather shoot a more comfortable round and shoot more often and get more and better follow up shots (9mm) or hit harder with a more managable recoil (.45).

[LoneWolf]

I was folding, until it raised the temperature of a non-AC apartment and the electric bill, both due to 100% CPU usage 24x7) caused me to drop it. Was a good thing, but I have other stuff to spend my money on.

P.S. Cfitz, awesome avatar. I LOVE Audrey Hepburn (swoon).

[UALOneKPlus]

Give me an FN 90...

[BurninMan921]

Hmm...nice gun thread. I'll just, umm, ignore the rest.

I'd a FN P90 too

Didja know the pistol they have in that cal. is now US legal? Can't remember what it's called.

JamieW, Glock .357's have KB'ed. This page shows a .45ACP KB - scary, I used to have one of those.

I wouldn't trust a Glock 20 with true, full-power loads (ie, stuff from www.doubletapammo.com, which is a hell of alot hotter than the crap CorBon, Winchester, and Hornady make for the 10mm).

I'd get an after market barrel for any .40/.357/10mm Glock.

I too wouldn't mind a G20, but only if they dump that stupid 10 round mag limit; 15 rounds of Double Tap ammo would be sweet, and I'm not about to spend $100+ on a mag right now.

Kimber makes a VERY nice 10mm 1911; limited production, though

Lets see, G20=$550 or so, $100-120 for a new barrel, $30 for a new, heavy recoil spring/guide rod assembly, plus ammo. Hmm...nope, I'll pass.

Give me a Springfield XD!

[JamieW]

Burning,

Couple of interesting things to note:

The report on the Glock 21 kaboom says they were using reloaded ammo that was not properly sized. Just interesting to note. I'm not saying no other Glocks can kaboom. I've seen an H&K USP kaboom. Oddly, this was when I was thinking about getting a Glock for reliability and not 10 minutes before this happened, the owner of the H&K who also hates Glock said, "you want reliability, get an H&K." I've also seen a Ruger Blackhawk (for those that don't know, notoriously strong) kaboom with some mildly hot .45 Long Colt. Barrel split and partially flowered. I'm not surprised the G3Xs have seen reports because that .357 round will suffer many of the flaws of the .40 round and platforms.

Also good to note for those unfamiliar is that reports on Glock kabooms seem more prominent for two reasons, in my opinion:

1. The sheer quantity of Glocks out there. Really a whole lot of Glocks in the market.
2. Glock has more detractors than any other quality gun out there.

I too am waiting to pick up a G20 until about when the AWB sunsets. I want the 15 rounds of 10mm. That is a very good combination of power and capacity.

Did you notice that double tap's tests are all out of a Glock 20? I maintain what I said that the G20 is the strongest bottom feeding auto chucking 10mm out there. The only thing I would consider stronger and more durable would be a 10mm revolver like the S&W 610 or one of the few Ruger Blackhawks that was chambered in 10mm. Also in full house ammo for a whole lot of bang, you may want to check out buffalo bore. They've got some really potent rounds, especially their revolver stuff. They have .357 that approaches off the shelf .44 mag territory and exceeds 10mm energy. One of their .357 loads pushes 1700 fps. Really impressive stuff. Much more potent than Georgia Arms Deer Stoppers.

If I were going to get a 1911 platformed 10mm, Dan Wesson is either offering or about to offer a 10mm on a Commander 1911 platform with the Ed Brown style bobtail. That is a really cool piece. I've not seen any Kimber 10mms, I know they are out there, just not seen them. Kimber does make a nice 1911 and I've no reason to believe that their 10mm wouldn't be nice. Have you handled one?

Mind if I ask what you have now?