NEC2510 due next month in stores, and cheap too

[jase]

From a circular sent by a UK-based media specialist...

A Word on the Future

Some people have been looking to the future recently, and we've had a fair number of enquiries about the new dual layer DVD writers that you can presently pick up for 140.00 or more. The dual-layer media is currently impossible to buy but we're expecting first shipments of it in June. Also in June we have the NEC 2510 dual-layer writer due to land in our warehouse. The retail price will be about 70.00 so watch out for that one!

£70 -- that's about £60 excluding the sales tax. That's only about £15 ($25) more expensive than the 2500A, which seems cheap enough to me.

Maybe time to sell off some DVD burners to grab one of these

[Kennyshin]

From a circular sent by a UK-based media specialist...

A Word on the Future

Some people have been looking to the future recently, and we've had a fair number of enquiries about the new dual layer DVD writers that you can presently pick up for 140.00 or more. The dual-layer media is currently impossible to buy but we're expecting first shipments of it in June. Also in June we have the NEC 2510 dual-layer writer due to land in our warehouse. The retail price will be about 70.00 so watch out for that one!

£70 -- that's about £60 excluding the sales tax. That's only about £15 ($25) more expensive than the 2500A, which seems cheap enough to me.

Maybe time to sell off some DVD burners to grab one of these

Some?

[jase]

I have far too many burners at the moment, due to a spate of upgrades/buying drives for testing purposes.

At present I have

1*Pio 107
4*Pio 105
1*LiteOn 451@851
3*NEC 2500A
1*NuTech 081@082
1*Optorite 0803

As I said, far too many.

I intend to sell 2 of the 105s, 1 or perhaps 2 of the 2500As and the Optorite.

[dolphinius_rex]

holy cow!!

[jase]

I know!!!

Let me explain.

I bought 2 of the 105s very cheaply. I then bought the 2 2500As to replace the 105s but never sold the 105s on. Then I bought the Optorite and LiteOn as testing burners only, then got the NuTech to replace the Optorite but never sold the Optorite on.

When I'm finished I want my list to be the following:

2*105 (one to my brother, one in the PC downstairs)
1*107 (main burner #1)
1*2500A (main burner #2)
1*2510A (DL burner)
1*451s (test burner #1)
1*NuTech (test burner #2)

*Still* too many but not as bad as right now lol.

They're only cheap now and, hell, it's only money.

[dolphinius_rex]

For me, I want my setup to look like this

Pioneer DVR-107 (main burner#1)
LG 4120B (main burner #2)

LiteON LDW-411s (extra burner #1)
NEC 2500/2510 (extra Burner #2)

Nutech (testing burner #1)
Plextor 712a (testing burner #2)

[Kennyshin]

I have far too many burners at the moment, due to a spate of upgrades/buying drives for testing purposes.

At present I have

1*Pio 107
4*Pio 105
1*LiteOn 451@851
3*NEC 2500A
1*NuTech 081@082
1*Optorite 0803

As I said, far too many.

I intend to sell 2 of the 105s, 1 or perhaps 2 of the 2500As and the Optorite.

Impressive. That's a better collection than mine especially because my drives are mostly 4x while yours are mostly 8x!

[jase]

Thankyou very much!!

I think the DVD vendors love me hehe

Less impressed is 'er indoors, who greets another "box of wires" with some disdain....

[Kennyshin]

Thankyou very much!!

I think the DVD vendors love me hehe

Less impressed is 'er indoors, who greets another "box of wires" with some disdain....

My wife just expects more movies for her.

As though more DVD burners meant more DVD titles. I burned less than 10 DVD titles per drive in the last 12 months.

[dolphinius_rex]

For me it's my sister who bugs me for movies. She expects it all for free too! So I got a second system so I can still live my life while I give meaning to her's

[shimman]

i guess dvd burners depreciate their values quicker than they burn disks; the makers of dvd burners would be forced to make higher profit drives like blueray soon, or they will keep pushing faster writing speed for the dual layer disks.

in this pace, i will be able to get 16x 4x dl at the end of 2004 for about 100usd or less.

712a seems less attractive than ever....712dl might come out in a month or two to keep on being on the cutting edge.

[dolphinius_rex]

we won't see the end of DVD until we've seen 8x DVD+RW9's

[Funkstar]

is there any word on Dual Layer DVD-R/RW?

Just replaced my 2500 with a 107 so i can use it in a firewire box, then i see the email from SVP about the 2510. It's a very tempting drive but it won't work externally and i would really like DL DVD-R as opposed to +R

[code65536]

is there any word on Dual Layer DVD-R/RW?

Just replaced my 2500 with a 107 so i can use it in a firewire box, then i see the email from SVP about the 2510. It's a very tempting drive but it won't work externally and i would really like DL DVD-R as opposed to +R

It won't be for a while. Probably not until the end of the year.

[dolphinius_rex]

is there any word on Dual Layer DVD-R/RW?

Just replaced my 2500 with a 107 so i can use it in a firewire box, then i see the email from SVP about the 2510. It's a very tempting drive but it won't work externally and i would really like DL DVD-R as opposed to +R

It won't be for a while. Probably not until the end of the year.

What makes you say that?

As for DVD-RW9 and DVD+RW9, they are a ways away yet, *IF* they are ever even given the green light that is!

[shimman]

-r dl is set to be in the market by aug 2004 & very likely that 108 will be announced by next month (june 2004) i heard that first -r dl would be 4x, but 2x is more likely according to my buddy @ dell

my buddy @ dell told me it is not the drive that is holding dl but the media; he told me mitsu chem is having major problem of defect rate; 1st layer is causing major problem to the 2nd layer in stomping process.

of couse, this is just rumors.....though he has been very reliable about upcoming products

btw 108 won't be any faster than 8x but very likely to support both -/+r dl

[dolphinius_rex]

-r dl is set to be in the market by aug 2004 & very likely that 108 will be announced by next month (june 2004) i heard that first -r dl would be 4x, but 2x is more likely according to my buddy @ dell

my buddy @ dell told me it is not the drive that is holding dl but the media; he told me mitsu chem is having major problem of defect rate; 1st layer is causing major problem to the 2nd layer in stomping process.

of couse, this is just rumors.....though he has been very reliable about upcoming products

btw 108 won't be any faster than 8x but very likely to support both -/+r dl

Well, I'd have to say your buddy at Dell is well informed! That pretty much agrees with everything I already know, even up to and including the bit about 4x DVD-R9s! Don't know about the exact issues that Mitsubishi is having with the technology, but it seems to make sense (well, if you listen to Anandtech's reviews at least....)

And yes, the Pioneer DVR-108 will likely only be an 8x drive... the DVR-109 should be a 16x drive though

[jsl]

"Although the first double-layer drives on the market will be DVD+R, rival format DVD-R will also have its own double-layer drives. Because the format has not yet been approved by the DVD Forum, the drives may not appear in the market until year's end or the beginning of 2005, according to Andy Parsons, Pioneer Electronics' senior vice president of advanced product development. These drives will likely record double-layer discs in 2X speeds."
This is from an article written about a month ago:
http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printab ... 835,00.asp

Although it must kind of embarrassing for Pioneer the A08 will only support +R DL according to the rumors I've heard.

[dolphinius_rex]

"Although the first double-layer drives on the market will be DVD+R, rival format DVD-R will also have its own double-layer drives. Because the format has not yet been approved by the DVD Forum, the drives may not appear in the market until year's end or the beginning of 2005, according to Andy Parsons, Pioneer Electronics' senior vice president of advanced product development. These drives will likely record double-layer discs in 2X speeds."
This is from an article written about a month ago:
http://www.pcworld.com/resource/printab ... 835,00.asp

Although it must kind of embarrassing for Pioneer the A08 will only support +R DL according to the rumors I've heard.

That isn't a certainty yet. You can be sure that it is the LAST thing that Pioneer would do, to provide a product with a technology created by their opponant that they cannot match.... also if the drive is only 8x for single layer media, and it only burns DVD+R9 media as a difference between it, and the DVR-107... well, that's kinda lame in my opinion! They'd be better to hold off releasing the drive, since it would be almost the same as the DVR-107... and a little too similar in spec to the Plextor 712a, only without the possability of 12x DVD+R burning.

[jase]

With that being the case, what's the betting a load of sub-standard media floods the market? Maybe not by Mitsubishi, but when Ritek, Prodisc, CMC and the like start manufacturing these discs they'll be all over the place. This one aspect alone has the capacity to sink DL, if the format gets a reputation for unreliability.

[shimman]

as far as i know pio has not marketed -r dl not because of the drive's spec but because of the media spec. pio tried to market 4x -r dl before 4x +r dl just like when +rw pack decided go for 2.4x instead of 2x to win over -r camp.

recent price drop of a07xl & 107d are to push out the inventory before 108 comes out.
taiwanese companies will produce both +/-r dl by end of 3rd qt in mass quantity

12x version of 108 is prepared when 16x will be delayed. unfortunately 16x will not likely come out to the market before beginning of 4th qt. late nov 2004 to early dec 2004 is likely time for 16x burners but not every burners will have 4x dl; 4x dl is very likely to be delayed to 1st qt of 2004 due to the media problem, but this could be changed if media mfgs fixed yielding problems

[konsolen]

i have the nec2500 and flashed it into a hp520!

so i have a very cheap DL burner with bitsetting!

[Ian]

Trusted Reviews got a 2510 from a UK reseller and did a quick review already:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=459

[aviationwiz]

I think that is one of the worst reviews I have ever seen.

[The Belgain]

Yeah, it's pretty basic really isn't it? DL media must still be incredibly scarce if they're only sending out one disc with each drive to reviewers.

Any idea on pricing of DL media when it comes out?

I need to buy drive in the next couple of weeks, and I'm pretty sure at the moment that I'm going to go for an NEC 2510. The only other one I was considering is the new LG DL drive. What are LG drives like generally? The NEC is £70 and the LG is £85. Is DVDRAM media likely to drop in price anytime soon?