DVR-R read errors after putting dark AVERY label on it

[tnaloan]

I'm using a SONY DRU-510A and DVD XCOPY Express to make backup copies of my DVD movies onto FUJIFILM 4x DVD-R media.

When I first make the copy, it will play fine in my Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502. After I test the DVD-R and make sure the movie plays and allows skipping around to different parts of the movie without hanging, I use Avery Design Pro 2000 and Avery Ink Jet 8692 CD/DVD Labels to make a nice looking label based on a scan of the original DVD label.

DVD movies such as "Saving Privare Ryan" and "CAST AWAY" have a very dark label. After applying the dark image to the Avery Ink Jet 8692 Label, the movie does not play as well.

The movie will hang at times. Skipping around to different parts of the movie causes hangs. Skipping to any point near the end of the movie is almost always fatal.

I'm thinking this is a flaw with the Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502?

Playback on the SONY DRU-510A is fine, even with the darkest labels.

The Toshiba SD-M1502 playing a movie burned to a DVD-R with a dark label acts similar to when I try to play a DVD+R on this drive.

The Toshiba SD-M1502 does not claim DVD+R capability; but it almost works. The movies hang at times and skipping to any point near the end of the movie is almost always fatal.

I wish someone could come up with an explanation for this.

How could a dark colored (like almost all black) label on the TOP of the DVD-R change the way the Toshiba DVD-ROM SD-M1502 reads the BOTTOM of the DVD-R?

Thanks for any corrections and education anyone can provide!

I have a February 2001 Toshiba Ver. 001 DVD-ROM SD-M1502 with 1012 firmware (original).

I am playing the movies with ATI's DVD player that came with my ATI Radeon video card.

[burninfool]

First of all DO NOT USE FULL LABELS ON CD's OR DVD's.Use a hub labeler,Sharpie type pen or inkjet printers.
The other possibility is poor quality media.

[tnaloan]

"DO NOT USE FULL LABELS ON CD's OR DVD's"

Why not?

According to my experience with the Toshiba DVD-ROM, you are correct!

But please tell me, what is happening that the DVD-ROM cannot read the BOTTOM of the DVD-R after I put a dark colored sticker on the TOP of the DVD-R?

Why are there companies (for example, Avery) selling DVD stickers if there could ba a problem.

I'm sorry, I just do not understand.

[burninfool]

The adhesive on labels can damage the dye on CD's and cause DVD's to be unbalanced when played,there is also the possibility of the label peeling while playing damaging the DVD-ROM.
Avery sells their labels because there's a demand for them even though they're damaging,cigarettes/tobacco are another example.

[VEFF]

I think labeling kits should come with a warning label (pun intended)
about the potential of damage to burned discs.

A colleague at work has a bunch of DVD video discs that started to skip
after a number of months, even though they were initially fine.
I asked it he had used labels on them, and sure enough his answer was "yes".

[evo69]

lol, gd pun

[tnaloan]

I finally tracked my trouble down to a faulty DVD player.

It's a Toshiba SD-M1502 manufactured February 2001.

It is supposed to play DCD-R media; but in my case, it is very madginal.

I found a site on the web with updated bios and I tried that. No luck.

I replaced the drive with a MAD DOG brand drive and every DVD-R plays fine now.

In conclusion, my faulty Toshiba SD-M1502 was reading DVD-R media before a label was applied. If I applied a light colored label, it would still read the DVD-R. If I applied a dark colored label, the DVD-R would not read. Strange but true.

I'm sorry it took me this long to figure out what was happening.

Thanks for the helpful comments!

[jase]

The thing is, any label will affect the readability of any disc, be it CD or DVD.

If your Toshiba couldn't read the disc with a label but was fine without, that is a symptom. You'll find that if you run low-level error scans on any media (with apps like KProbe, UMDoctor, CD-Speed with PI/PO scan etc) that the error rates increase exponentially with a label affixed to a disc.

If you need a full-colour print on a DVDR you need to use printable media with a printer capable of printing to disc.