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Postby Halc on Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:49 am

Finally! Thank you Plextor, you have listened the requests and delivered.

Combining kProbe, UM Doctor Pro II and the upcoming Plextools Pro and we will gain a better insight into the recording quality / media compatiblity on drives.

Now, it's time for Pioneer and/or BenQ to step up and offer their internal tools for public consumption as well. We know they are capable and they must have tools.

If this continues, maybe these things will become commonplace in a few years and people will finally come to understand what "burn quality" and "media compatibility" roughly mean.

Now most people (outside these forums) just think that it either works or it's a coaster.

(Adding Plex 712 on my list of drives to purchase).

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Postby Ciryadin on Wed Mar 10, 2004 9:50 am

712sa? where u get that from.. dont see any info posted on their web
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Postby MadBurner on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:00 am

Ian wrote:American release dates and prices:

PX-712A - late April - $209


It is going to be a long couple of months waiting for this drive :cry:
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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:02 am

MadBurner,

who gave you permission to use a Plextor avatar? Might want to check with me because of my title: Plextor Fan(atic)
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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:05 am

Ian wrote:PX-712A - late April - $209


That's about the time I'm going to pay my Credit Card bill for the DVR-107. I'll buy it early May, pay it late June...I'll wait for the SATA version though :)

You know, I'm starting to become a VERY poor guy.
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Postby Ciryadin on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:06 am

Ian wrote:American release dates and prices:
PX-712SA - May - $229


whats the added value of SA?
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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:08 am

Ciryadin wrote:
Ian wrote:American release dates and prices:
PX-712SA - May - $229


whats the added value of SA?


SATA (Serial ATA)
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Postby Ciryadin on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:13 am

ah okies.. thanks
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Postby MadBurner on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:13 am

aviationwiz wrote:MadBurner,

who gave you permission to use a Plextor avatar? Might want to check with me because of my title: Plextor Fan(atic)


I should have known this might come up 8)

I have always been loyal to Plextor (ever since the SCSI days) but I would really like to have your permission nonetheless since you have been a registered user on CDRLabs.com longer than I have. :cry:

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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:14 am

MadBurner wrote:
aviationwiz wrote:MadBurner,

who gave you permission to use a Plextor avatar? Might want to check with me because of my title: Plextor Fan(atic)


I should have known this might come up 8)

I have always been loyal to Plextor (ever since the SCSI days) but I would really like to have your permission nonetheless since you have been a registered user on CDRLabs.com longer than I have. :cry:

Thanks!
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Down and give me 20! One Two Three Four Five Six... :lol: :lol:

Actually, I'm glad to see someone has the same views as me when it comes to optical drive brand :)
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Postby VEFF on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:15 am

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Postby BMR on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:16 am

aviationwiz wrote:MadBurner,

who gave you permission to use a Plextor avatar? Might want to check with me because of my title: Plextor Fan(atic)


Sorry AviationWiz, you are now the Pion(atic) !!!! Only Plextor supporters may claim hold of said avatars and copyrights :)

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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:20 am

VEFF wrote:
aviationwiz wrote:Oh my god, No, No, No. I just bought the damn DVR-107.

Arggh, please tell me it won't be out until June. No, No, No. I gave up on Plextor and look what happened to me!

On a side note, it looks exactly like the PX-708A.


wiz,

I am curious as to why you got rid of your PX-708A in favor of a Pioneer DVR-107 in the first place?
I know you were the biggest proponent of Plextor here.

Also, if you switched from your Plextor PX-708A to the Pioneer DVR-107, why are you so upset now that Plextor has announced a burner only slightly faster than the 708A you owned?

Maybe I am missing something?


The PX-708A is still here as a second burner, and will be continued to use as such, and as my main DVD+R writer. The DVR-107 will be used for DVD-R @ 8x. The PX-712SA will become my ultra primary burner when I get it.

Why am I pissed? Because I just bought a drive and now I have to buy a new one!

I got the DVR-107 because of the hacked firmware availbility which allows me to write to my RITEKG04's @8x, and the excellent quality at that!

I did need a new drive anyway...Of course, that could have been a Pioneer 120 DVD-ROM!
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Postby VEFF on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:22 am

MadBurner wrote:
tazdevl wrote:No dual layer?


According to this article (http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/45380), Plextor is still investigating the possibility of Dual Layer recording for the PX-712A.

VEFF: Now you finally know what to do with your 2 PX-708As in April 8)


:)

If it does end up supporting DL, then I would be interested.
Otherwise I won't bother, since 8X to 12X will not make enough of a difference in burn time to dump my 708As. I'd rather wait for 16X and D/L capability...

I may sell my PX-708As soon, before they become worth much less, and then wait a while for the first high quality 16X, DL-capable burner.
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Postby Ciryadin on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:22 am

Then again im more interested in our 16x DDW-162 :wink:
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Postby VEFF on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:24 am

aviationwiz wrote:
VEFF wrote:
aviationwiz wrote:Oh my god, No, No, No. I just bought the damn DVR-107.

Arggh, please tell me it won't be out until June. No, No, No. I gave up on Plextor and look what happened to me!

On a side note, it looks exactly like the PX-708A.


wiz,

I am curious as to why you got rid of your PX-708A in favor of a Pioneer DVR-107 in the first place?
I know you were the biggest proponent of Plextor here.

Also, if you switched from your Plextor PX-708A to the Pioneer DVR-107, why are you so upset now that Plextor has announced a burner only slightly faster than the 708A you owned?

Maybe I am missing something?


The PX-708A is still here as a second burner, and will be continued to use as such, and as my main DVD+R writer. The DVR-107 will be used for DVD-R @ 8x. The PX-712SA will become my ultra primary burner when I get it.

Why am I pissed? Because I just bought a drive and now I have to buy a new one!

I got the DVR-107 because of the hacked firmware availbility which allows me to write to my RITEKG04's @8x, and the excellent quality at that!

I did need a new drive anyway...Of course, that could have been a Pioneer 120 DVD-ROM!


Gotcha.
I edited my original post, after seeing it had other improvements, but you had already replied :)
Well, you can always sell your DVR-107 before its market price drops...

I personally will wait till a 16X and/or DL DVD burner comes out.
If the 712A burns DL, it would be an interesting proposition.
If not, I will wait, as stated directly above.
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Postby aviationwiz on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:27 am

BMR wrote:
aviationwiz wrote:MadBurner,

who gave you permission to use a Plextor avatar? Might want to check with me because of my title: Plextor Fan(atic)


Sorry AviationWiz, you are now the Pion(atic) !!!! Only Plextor supporters may claim hold of said avatars and copyrights :)

BMR


*Flies to Toronto, beats up BMR, comes back* Understand now? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

We'll see if Pioneer truly converts me. With news of this drive, I don't think so, :lol:
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Postby BMR on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:44 am

aviationwiz wrote:*Flies to Toronto, beats up BMR, comes back* Understand now? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Make sure on the flight over, that if you are using a laptop, you have your Plextor ( sorry that would be ) PIONEER DVR 107 in a USB 2 enclosure that is battery powered. LOL :)

sorry could not resist one jab, at least.


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Postby MadBurner on Wed Mar 10, 2004 10:46 am

Boy aviationwiz, you are taking a lot of heat for that Pioneer drive. They do have a point though, lol.

This is becoming a very entertaining thread 8)

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:16 am

Ian, I'm with you!

Let's order two European drives (mine SATA) to save on the shipping. I need that Q-Check to add to my arsenal :D

Then I'll just need to get the an optorite drive, and I'[ll have the complete set! :wink:

But seriously, let's order together, and you can ship me my drive when they arrive, if we get aviationwiz to join us (and I'm sure he would) we could save on the shipping even more. I'm sure lot's of people on here would want the European burner due to Plextools. Maybe we can order in bulk? :P
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Postby Halc on Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:36 am

dolphinius_rex,

if you are planning for the SATA version (like I am), please make sure (if you haven't already) that your SATA controller supports ATAPI devices. Not all do. Just making sure you won't be in for a nasty surprise.

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Postby Ian on Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:59 am

Why order from Europe? The US version should come with PlexTools Pro as well considering it advertises Q-Check as one of its main features. I haven't read Plextor's actual press release yet, but it sounds like the SATA version is coming much later over there.
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Postby BMR on Wed Mar 10, 2004 12:05 pm

Ian wrote:Why order from Europe? The US version should come with PlexTools Pro as well considering it advertises Q-Check as one of its main features. I haven't read Plextor's actual press release yet, but it sounds like the SATA version is coming much later over there.


I guess that Japanese Pioneer A07 that is due to arrive in the US soon no longer interests you guys ???

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Postby CowboySlim on Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:42 pm

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Functionally, SATA is mere hype and marketing spin on an optical drive.


That's only half of the picture. You are clearly thinking of the transfer speeds only.

Serial ATA's point-to-point nature and no need for half-assed bus arbitration protocols (slave/master on PATA) should ensure that the compatibility problems of having two opticals on the same channel are in the past.

If you haven't run into optical ATAPI drive compatibility problems when run on the same PATA channel, be thankful. I know how painful they can be, having tried several dozens of various drives from various manufacturers sharing the same channel.

Furthermore, if NCQ from SATA II is to be implemented on ATAPI devices, we could see additional higher burst transfers, lower seek times and lower cpu utilisation figures.

As a last point, if you consider that you can PCI bus arbitrate four devices using one IRQ (one SATA controller), you are actually saving resources with SATA. The same on PATA would require 2 IRQs and even then the devices would share the ATA channel.

Putting all this together, SATA is already as it is useful for ATAPI devices and can only become more so in the future.



Actually, that response is still 90% hype. Big deal on 50% increase in burst speed for 10ms over a 10 minute burn - not even measureable. Two current, state of the art opticals one the same channel having conflicts? I don't and if I did I get rid of the bad drive. Can you hook up more than 4 drives without a PCI card? Yes. Highly advantageous for 2% of the computer users that want to do that. And how many of those really need more than 4 drives? Please don't respond that Hox and Wiz do. Their needs are to satisfy their hobbyist enjoyment. They don't "need" them in the sense of a professional, like my tax accountant, needs them (which he really doesn't either).

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Postby dolphinius_rex on Wed Mar 10, 2004 1:57 pm

Ian wrote:Why order from Europe? The US version should come with PlexTools Pro as well considering it advertises Q-Check as one of its main features. I haven't read Plextor's actual press release yet, but it sounds like the SATA version is coming much later over there.


Oh... I thought they were doing Plextools for the European one only again, like in old times. Good to know!

Hehe, I still think we should group our orders :P
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