Pioneer DVR-107d Specifications

[Noua]

I found the specifications for the new Pioneer DVD Burner(DVR-107d) to come out in the next months.

Write Speeds
dvd-r : 1x,2x,4x,6x,8x
dvd-rw : 1x,2x,4x
dvd+r : 2.4x,4x,6x,8x
dvd+rw : 2.4x,4x
cd-r : 4x8x12x16x24x
cd-rw : 4x10x16x24x

Read Speed
DVD Rom : 16x
CD Rom : 40x

Buffer Size : 2 mb


I guess that's about it. You can gt the full spec on DVD-Recorder website.
Nice speed, right?

[Ian]

I wonder how long it will be before Pioneer asks them to take it down.

[Bhairav]

Nice speeds! Noua, you thinking of upgrading

[BurninMan921]

Sigh...yet another 8x drive that's Z-CLV. This does not bode well for the upcoming 12x/16x burners. Kinda like switching from a 48x burner to a 52x...

[VEFF]

Sigh...yet another 8x drive that's Z-CLV. This does not bode well for the upcoming 12x/16x burners. Kinda like switching from a 48x burner to a 52x...

Upgrading from 4X DVD write speed to 8X Z-CLV DVD write speed is equivalent to upgrading from 4X true write speed to 7.7X true write speed.
Almost twice as fast.

From 8X to 16X, the improvement will be less stellar in terms of absolute time saved of course, but will still be noticeable percentagewise and definitely be more noticeable than the 7 [b]seconds[b] or so that upgrading from a 48X to a 52X CD burner brings.

[dolphinius_rex]

I'm going to wait until this drive comes out, and then promptly go out and buy a Pioneer A06 or the like, at a super reduced cost!

[Phoenix '97]

Having a look at some of the DVD read speed graphs, a 16x CAV speed (which I assume 16x writers will use) averages about 12x. My guess is that 12x burners will average maybe 10x?

[BMR]

Keeping in mind the ratification of the 4X - RW and 8X -R standards,
does anyone have any idea when an actual model will be on a shelf that we can purchase??

At the end of the DVD-Recordable page the author says he hopes to have a drive very soon for evaluation. If that were the case then are they closer to production then would appear ??

Just wondering out loud ........

BMR

BTW : When is the 8X -R standard to be ratified ?????????????

[hoxlund]

if you want a cheap pioneer 106 burner, buy the memorex dual format

from the pictures on the box, staples, it looks like pioneer, and the specs match the pioneer as well

[Bhairav]

Yep, I think it IS a Pioneer. CDfreaks have done a review of the Memorex, and they (OC-Freak) confirmed it.

[hoxlund]

at my staples store we carry all the major dual format brands

Sony, Pioneer, TDK

we also have the buslink, and cendyne models, who makes those?

[BurninMan921]

VEFF, I was referring to the jump from an 8x to a 12x/16x drive-it probably won't be much. And I did forget the speed curve for the Plex 8x drive...it doesn't stay at 6x long! Gotta go get me one....
Still, 12x start-to-finish would rock!

[Noua]

bhairavp
Nice speeds! Noua, you thinking of upgrading

No way!! I wish, but I only got may drive a week ago so by the time I buy my next burner they'll do 20x burns and maybe blueray wiil lead the way... :D:D:D loooool...

Nevertheless I hope that Pionner can Keep 105 and 106 peformences because I can tell you that my A06 is just smooth and beautiful... Never gave me a problem, so far...

[dolphinius_rex]

Personally I have serious doubts about 20x DVD recording, simply because we don't even see DVD-ROM's faster then 16x currently.

I told a friend of mine that 16x DVD recorders should be available by this time next year, and he said to me "so? the year after that there will be 32x DVD recorders." and I said to him "....no..... there won't." As much as I'd love to see 32x dvd recorders, I just don't see them happening.

[VEFF]

I was debating whether to wait for a drive (like the DVR-107) capable of writing both -R and +R at 8X, or buying a second 708A (for my 2nd PC) for a very cheap price thanks to coupons right now.

I read a post at dvdrhelp.com by a user called RAAGAAman
about DVD-RW having problems with higher write speeds due to its design; I haven't independently verified his claims, but maybe someone here can validate his claim(s):
QUOTE of RAAGAAman's post at dvdrhelp.com
DVD-R/RW does have problems at higher speeds. The Addressing scheme
that they use is flawed. The problem is the LPP. LPP is "Land Pre-pit" and it is used along with the wobble signal for addressing. The Problem is the drive has to detect a LPP. The LPP is adjacent to the groove where the laser is writing. The LPP is a small mark that is harder to detect when rotating at higher speeds. Also, there is nothing in the media info that tells the drive what the optimum write power is so developing good write strategies takes longer for DVD-R/RW.
With +R/RW the addressing info is in the groove signal which is not affected as much by speed with todays DSPs. Also, the write parameters are in the media. This does not mean that write stratiges do not need to be developed it just takes less time.

RG

I will make my mind up soon...

[Ian]

Yeah, I talked to someone in the know the other day and he said that media manufacturers are having a hard time writing to DVD-R media at anything faster than 6x.

[VEFF]

Thanks for the info Ian!
Very interesting...
That doesn't bode well for 8X -R writing, let alone 12X or 16X -R writing which might be impossible then?


Even though the PX-708A can be had cheap the next few days thanks to coupon codes etc., I am debating whether I should wait for the even cheaper (hopefully) Benq/Philips 8X +RW drive then (supposed to be shipping soon right?), since I will probably be using +R media 99% of the time, and I already have one PX-708A which can do both formats in case I ever need to burn -R again.

Then again, if I buy a second 708A today, it will have cost me less than $50 (after taking into account the funds I received for selling my 4X DVD burners) to upgrade BOTH PCs from 4X to 8X, and I have gotten NEW burners in the process - my 4X had all been used of course.

Decisions, decisions...

[aviationwiz]

Get another PX-708A, you won't regret it.

Back to reality:

Why do you need another one? Is it at a different house, office, or something? Because if it's not, I think you can wait 8 min. for the burn to finish on your first PX-708A.

[VEFF]

I ordered my 2nd Plextor PX-708A this afternoon.

I couldn't resist, because I ended up spending less than $50 net to upgrade to two new Plextor 8X dual burners from the three used 4X burners I sold in August, two of which were single format.
Otherwise I would have waited longer...

Now for the reason you asked for:
The reason is that I got a cheap, but very powerful, 2nd PC, and wanted to be able to author (for home video) and burn (data and video) DVDs on both PCs simultaneously, since my spare time is valuable:

- I have a long commute.

- The home video has to be prepared and authored when I do home videos, and that alone takes up time, which is better done in parallel on two PCs.

- The more time it takes, the less time I have with my girlfriend and for leisure time in general...

- This is somewhat of a hobby for me, so I don't mind spending some money on PC gear.


I don't plan to buy any more DVD burners.
I might get into Blue Ray or whatever comes next, but that is a long way away, for me...

[aviationwiz]

Who did you order the second one from?

[VEFF]

Dell.

[Phoenix '97]

DVD-R limited to 6x, eh? Hrm...
Would this scenario be possible, that DVD-R would become sort of "ghettoized" with everyone selling inexpensive 6x DVD-R writers later on while more expensive dual format recorders progressing to faster speeds with DVD+R? DVD-R-only writer costs could further be reduced by only having to license only one format I suppose...

[CDRecorder]

Well, if DVD-R is limited to 6x, I guess we'll be seeing the end of the "format wars" soon...

[aviationwiz]

What is this DVD Minus you speak of? I was unaware that there was a DVD format other than Plus

If DVD-R is limited to 6x, then that will be a huge problem, especially for those companies that have already announced drives that will write to DVD-Minus at 8x.

Certaintly will end the format wars if it is limited to 6x, of course, I must always go back to this, and say that Plus has already won the war.

There are Plus only burners coming out, but no Minus only burners, you can only do Minus if you get a Dual Format burner, Plus you can get in a single format burner still.

[dolphinius_rex]

Certaintly will end the format wars if it is limited to 6x, of course, I must always go back to this, and say that Plus has already won the war.

There are Plus only burners coming out, but no Minus only burners, you can only do Minus if you get a Dual Format burner, Plus you can get in a single format burner still.

You are wrong my friend. There are some very VERY big DVD-R only burners coming out, they're called blu-laser DVD burners, and they so far are only backward compatible with DVD-R. That goes for the Sony drive coming out, and I *THINK* the Toshiba drive as well.

EDIT: Well, I'm still not 100% sure on the Toshiba Blu-Ray DVD burner, but I *DO* know that the Toshiba D-R1 multiple DVD recorder drive that they just announced will be a DVD-R/W and DVD-RAM burner only.