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Memorex +R 4x 25-pak - Amazon $28.50

Postby bichi on Sat Dec 13, 2003 6:21 pm

Pretty good deal at Amazon for Memorex +R 4x 25-pak for $28.50.
Free SuperSaver shipping (7~9day) if order is over $25.00
Part number: 32025571
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/st ... 00-2012607

Bought a 25 pak from Frys for $39.99 a few weeks ago and had good results with 17 burns on
a LITEON 401S (FW: ESOG) at 4x burn speed. (3 burns with RW-5125A, also no problems)

MEMOREX +R 25-pak - PN: 32025571 - UPC: 3470705571
Drive Type = DVD+R/+RW
Disc Type = DVD+R
Disc MID = 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E (RICOHJPN)
Disc TID = 52 30 31 (R01)
Nominal Capacity = 4.38GB
Manufacturer Maybe = Ricoh Company Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 4.0X (Write)
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sat Dec 13, 2003 9:50 pm

Remember that not all Memorex 4x DVD+R discs are made by Ritek under Ricoh's guidlines, some of them are also made by CMC.

The CMC made ones appear to be okay, however longevity tests may proove otherwise in the future, since CMC seems to always have problems in these areas.
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Postby bichi on Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:15 am

dolphinius_rex,

Yup. Will report back disc ID when the stuff arrives from Amazon, expected Dec 17.

Just picked up some Memorex +RW 4x this evening at local Fry's:

Memorex +RW 4x
Drive Type = DVD+R/+RW
Disc Type = DVD+RW
Disc MID = 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E (RICOHJPN)
Disc TID = 57 31 31 (W11)
Nominal Capacity = 4.38GB
Manufacturer Maybe = Ricoh Company Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 4.0X (Write)
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Postby Spazmogen on Sun Dec 14, 2003 2:51 am

I bought some 2 months ago.


Bought 2 spindles, 1 was CMC (has the black bottom on the spindle). The other had a Grey bottom (Ricoh).
CMC will not burn @ 4x at all. 2.4x only. They are branded Memorex 4x +R's. Other than a slower than rated speed, they are fine. Being I had them shipped to my parents winter home in FL. I can't easily return them.

The Grey bottom (Ricoh) spindle burns @ 4x no trouble.
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Postby bichi on Sun Dec 14, 2003 3:05 am

Spazmogen,

Look for "black" bottom of the spindle pak, eh?
Grey = Ricoh. I'm looking at locally purchased 25-pak spindle and its grey.

Thanks for the tip!
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Postby Spazmogen on Sun Dec 14, 2003 5:21 am

no problem on the spindle color tip.

I read it here in another thread about these same 4x +R memorex discs.

The Ricoh's are damn fine, the CMC are mediocre at best.

Grey is good.

Now this is good:
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I linked to that pic @ BB site. The 50 pack is only $49.99 USD online HERE
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Postby dolphinius_rex on Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:16 am

Hrm, that's a pretty good price! Best Buy is only making about $0.10 per disc then, (plus or minus about 2 cents). DVD mark up is usually MUCH higher! We will see even more competitive pricing soon I believe :D
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Postby jsl on Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:27 am

Spazmogen wrote:CMC will not burn @ 4x at all. 2.4x only.

If you're using a NEC ND-1100A with an old firmware (like 1.A0) it's because the CMC 4x DVD+R MID code is not implemented in the firmware and therefore the drive defaults to 2.4x speed.
Because of NEC's inability of supporting the ND-1100A with new firmware the best you can do is flash it with HP's dvd300n 3.10 firmware which should be able to burn them in 4x, see my post here.
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Postby Spazmogen on Sun Dec 14, 2003 6:56 am

jsl wrote:
Spazmogen wrote:CMC will not burn @ 4x at all. 2.4x only.

If you're using a NEC ND-1100A with an old firmware (like 1.A0) it's because the CMC 4x DVD+R MID code is not implemented in the firmware and therefore the drive defaults to 2.4x speed.
Because of NEC's inability of supporting the ND-1100A with new firmware the best you can do is flash it with HP's dvd300n 3.10 firmware which should be able to burn them in 4x, see my post here.


This is EXACTLY the drive and firmware I'm running.
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Postby jsl on Sun Dec 14, 2003 7:39 am

Spazmogen wrote:This is EXACTLY the drive and firmware I'm running.


The 1.A0 firmware? Or do you mean that you're already running the HP 3.10 firmware and it still only burns CMC 4x @ 2.4x?
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Postby RJW on Sun Dec 14, 2003 8:21 am

CMC DVD+/-R's technically there quite okay.
(THe verbatim -r I got look not as rough made as normal CMC material.
The laquer over the sides is done very clean not something you see much from CMC. I was a bit surprised that CMC could make so clean looking disc's)
:evil: However there is still one bad issue with these disc's. It looks like there is tension or air bubbles in some of the disc's innerhub (The see through part) while on no other part there are this bubbles this still is something I do not like.
Because of this construction errors the disc could scatter quite easy when they encounter very high (rotation) speeds.

About CMC and ageing. Well CMC is currently ussing a dye based on a mixture of Metalized Azo(MCC technology !) and Cyanine.(Just like most dvd manufacturers use !). Depending on more AZO it will be more stable (unless you have metal stabilized cyanine) but don't forget AZO is more as twice expensive to use as cyanine !
Just for some people there are some companies as Princo who use pure cyanine for DVD recording. And Princo really has a bad cyanine composition this explains the fast ageing and fast decomposition of the disc's

Now advanced ageing tests of CMC disc's showed that they were better as ritek g04 (Which quality seems more and more over rated these days !)Now the new 4x DVD+R ones are supposed to be based on a newer generation dye and are supposed to be more stable.

CMC is improving there quality overall still they produce way to much very bad disc's just like MBIL and Ritek. MBIL and CMC have less variance in the quality compared to Ritek but they also have less very good disc's.

So how do CMC disc's work. Well if CMC made them decent then the
Pioneer A06 can burn them quite decent.

Why prefer Ricoh even if they are less good constructed. Since Ricoh disc's seem to be a bit more rought overall made.

A Ricoh's dye has shown extreme good results in accelerated ageing tests. So it should be better for storage

B Ricoh's name !. Because it's Ricoh most manufacturers spent much more time on optimalisation and implementation the media. This why
Ricoh media will burn better even if it's less good manufactured.

C Speed some drives will let you write on Ricoh 4x media at 8x and some will even let you write not faster as 2.4x for the CMC disc's even while the burner can do 4x on other disc's.
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Postby sapiens74 on Tue Dec 16, 2003 8:12 am

All five packs I bought were ricoh and burn at 8x
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Postby bichi on Wed Dec 17, 2003 3:27 am

Arrived today and are the "grey" bottom cake case.

Amazon shipping speed was a surprise, ordered Saturday PM and arrived
Tues PM. (3-days, via free ship service. Must have gotten lucky.)

Details below:

MEMOREX +R 4x 25-pak - PN: 32025571 - UPC: 3470705571
Drive Type = DVD+R/+RW
Disc Type = DVD+R
Disc MID = 52 49 43 4F 48 4A 50 4E (RICOHJPN)
Disc TID = 52 30 31 (R01)
Nominal Capacity = 4.38GB
Manufacturer Maybe = Ricoh Company Limited
SMART-BURN Speed Limit = 4.0X (Write)
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Postby Spazmogen on Wed Dec 17, 2003 8:41 am

jsl wrote:
Spazmogen wrote:This is EXACTLY the drive and firmware I'm running.


The 1.A0 firmware? Or do you mean that you're already running the HP 3.10 firmware and it still only burns CMC 4x @ 2.4x?


No, I am running the original 1.A0 firmware.
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Postby Spazmogen on Wed Dec 17, 2003 10:59 am

jsl wrote:
Spazmogen wrote:CMC will not burn @ 4x at all. 2.4x only.

If you're using a NEC ND-1100A with an old firmware (like 1.A0) it's because the CMC 4x DVD+R MID code is not implemented in the firmware and therefore the drive defaults to 2.4x speed.
Because of NEC's inability of supporting the ND-1100A with new firmware the best you can do is flash it with HP's dvd300n 3.10 firmware which should be able to burn them in 4x, see my post here.


Thanks for the link and the .bin HP firmware.

It worked like a charm.

The CMC discs now work @ 4x.
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Postby PhreePhly on Fri Dec 19, 2003 1:21 am

Don't know if this helps anyone, but Office Depot is offering a 25-pack of Memorex for $49.95 and get one free. This is for both DVD+R and DVD-R. I picked up two of each type at that price. The DVD+R were the grey spindle. This goes to Saturday (12/20/2003)

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